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Re: Stripe Tax

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How do you find working with Paddle? They've been on our shortlist for a new project and we've heard only positive things from people who actually use them. However, their terms could make any lawyer or company officer who actually read them visibly wince, and so far that has prevented us from engaging with them despite their clear advantages over the traditional payment services.

Are there some specific terms in their legal bits that you're concerned about? Personally, they've mostly been very good. The product works, it was very easy to set up and it does everything out of the box, and it's made sales tax & accountancy almost completely disappear. I have occasionally run into issues or bugs, and their API is a bit of a mess, but nothing show stopping and their team has been reasonably respon…

Are there some specific terms in their legal bits that you're concerned about?

Quite a few, but to give an example from high on the list, it appears that a SaaS company would warrant that software sold through Paddle is always bug-free, accept unlimited liability via the related indemnification requirements if it isn't, and yet have no right participate in or even know about any relevant process if something goes wrong. That's a toxic combination and hardly looks like a healthy basis for a mutually beneficial business relationship.

Other concerns related to the considerable flexibility Paddle appear to give themselves in terms of how they represent, price and provide access to whatever is being sold, again apparently without necessarily requiring the consent or possibly even the knowledge of the underlying provider. We're unclear about how much this might be necessary because of merchant of record legal model, but it has little to do with what we'd actually want to use Paddle for or why we'd choose them over other services for collecting payments.

For context, this is a new business but run by a team who have collectively founded multiple others before. Several of us are very much over wasting time and effort on the mechanics of taking money from our customers and complying with whatever rules accompany that. Obviously fees charged by a payment service do matter, but a moderate difference there is still insignificant to us if the service we use can offer enough flexibility for our needs and easy integration, and otherwise takes on as much of the mechanical implementation and regulatory burden as we can shift.

Re: Stripe Tax

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Ben Evans once described Stripe as tax on Internet SaaS. For a moment I’d thought it was Stripe admitting the same.

i think that is generally a compliment though, not an accusation

Re: Stripe Tax

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How quickly my excitement disappeared when I saw that California was not a member. Thanks for the information; I'm sure there are others, like myself, that have no idea such a thing exists.

I'm somewhat baffled by California not being a member. California's threshold below which out of state remote sellers do not have to register, collect, report, or remit sales tax is $500 000/year of sales into California. If I'm a remote seller using the free SST option to handle my taxes in the SST states, and am selling say $300 000/year in California, I will not be collecting any California tax. If they joined SST…

California is not a member of the SST because it does not currently tax a number of things that are subject to tax under the SST regime. For example, digital goods are taxable in SST states but not in California.

Similarly, there are a number of other product categories where CA's taxability classifications do not match the SST's classifications.

Generally, the total tax they could collect from remote (non-CA) sellers below the $500k nexus threshold is not worth the effort it would take to change things so that CA could join the SST, and moreover, it would require significant changes by CA sellers.

Generally, those same considerations also apply in NY: the cost burden on local sellers to make the change would dwarf any minuscule tax increase from joining the SST.

Re: Stripe Tax

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Do they offer a way to set a final price including taxes? In many jurisdictions your advertised price (e.g. for German users on your german page) needs to include taxes.

How does that work when the amount of the tax depends on the location? Do your visitors need to enter their billing & shipping information before they can browse your site?

There are strange cases (e.g. I'm on holiday in Germany using hotel wifi, ordering from a German webshop for delivery to Sweden using a Danish credit card).

In that case, the price will change when the delivery/payment details are entered.

Re: Stripe Tax

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YES, considering the only best competitor in this space Paddle takes 5%. Taxes is the reason why in the past most EU/UK businesses go to Paddle. Stripe's Tax feature now saves people who were considering Paddle a lot of time now.

I thought Avalara was the leader in this space. What is their pricing, I can't find it on the site.

What is their pricing, I can't find it on the site.

Whatever it is, reading reviews of Avalara suggests it's beyond the level smaller businesses can afford and has also been increasing dramatically from one year to the next for some time.

Avalara have a strong web presence because they've always been good at presenting key information like current tax rates and forthcoming changes. Their content marketing is excellent. But as soon as you look for more details about anything they offer, you seem to be straight into "enterprise contact-us sales process" mode.

Re: Stripe Tax

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Didn’t DARPA essentially create the Internet? Lot of wealth has been created here thanks to them.

If you compare the results of having a government to chaos, they create a LOT of wealth.

Chaos is just a government that absorbs more wealth.

Re: Stripe Tax

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Honest question: can somebody enlighten me about Stripe's appeal? I am not an user (until recently they weren't even available in my country) but I used ShareIt (now Digital River) 20 years ago and Avangate (now 2checkout soon Verifone) in the past 15 years and they both: - had a much larger international presence, with localizations and everything - had sales taxes, VATs etc computed from day one - had cart (not sur…

Disclaimer: I now work at Stripe but the following was purely when I used them as a user:

Stripe targeted developers from day one and made it extremely simple to get up and running (literally seven lines of code for a working payments system) and they documented their api very well.

Then they added on a lot of stuff that made me (as a user) happy, like paying out to my bank account a lot more quickly than the competition, adding recurring subscriptions with a few more lines of code etc.

Basically, their systems just worked out of the box and were more polished than others that I used.

Re: Stripe Tax

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-—> small <—-

Yes. The comment I responded to said "literally all companies", not "literally all large companies".

fwiw I upvoted you because I should have wrote "a vanishingly small amount of businesses, many who are probably screwing things up pretty badly"
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