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What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

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Re: What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

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For visiting outside the city, you temporarily rent a vehicle outside the city, where space isn't a problem. For moving heavy things: come on, how big of an impact on city traffic is this really?

Or, you accept there is nothing wrong with a few cars in the city and have taxis/car sharing/autonomous cars inside the city for when you need them.

Sure.

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> I split time between at least two cities Please don't bring up minority use cases when discussing the average or modal use case.

> don't bring up minority use cases There are a lot of minority use cases with cars. I suspect there are more, in aggregate, minority uses than there are cases in the mode. In any event, there is a massive non-extortive beachhead for this model, as deminstrared by Uber and Zipcar et al .

Uber is a great example of how this model ends up awful for both drivers (who get awful working conditions and usually end up making a lot less net than promised) and customers (who get an awful experience, end up paying a lot more than they would otherwise, and still aren't making progress towards getting rid of that extra expense).

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Yeah. I usually think that Americans have an insane tolerance for commuting, but 31 minutes per day is nothing! 15 minutes door-to-door to work is pretty fantastic — so fantastic that I too doubt that it's the average in the US northeast. Does this average perhaps count people who aren't working as having zero commute?

There is no indication that 31 minutes is per day, so I'd assume it's one way.

Ah yes, I see now that it literally says "to work". Thanks!

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I would compare it with the apps on my iPhone like Netflix.

Netflix isn't on your phone. The app is a portal to their servers & content. If all of the hardware & software is already in the car, which you bought, then they are renting your car back to you. There is no marginal increase increase in their own costs. You already "own" everything needed to make it work. This is more like having an iPhone with a bunch of videos you already purchased downloaded on to it and then hav…

> If all of the hardware & software is already in the car, which you bought, then they are renting your car back to you.

The hardware will be, buy the software will probably need constant improvements and updates. It's more like having purchased an iPhone and having to pay a subscription to have access to real time map data.

Re: What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

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> In a swipe at Tesla, he said that by charging hourly fees, VW would make autonomous driving more accessible than “a car with a five-digit surcharge.” This is completely disingenuous at best, and malicious at worst. This is a perfect example of the boots theory of socioeconomic unfairness [1]. This is just taking advantage of the poor-middle class' inability to pay a larger upfront cost, to extort them for more over…

> The average person in the northeast spends 31 minutes commuting per day [2], for simplicity that's 0.5 hours,* 2 commutes a day, * 5 days a week, * 50 weeks a year (assuming 2 weeks vacation), is 250 hours commuting a week.

You already said it's 31 minutes of commuting per day, so why are you doubling it in your subsequent calculation?

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It's the same argument that BMW made, and it's just as faulty here. They said that instead of paying $500 upfront for heated seats, they will be available as an annual unlock for say $100/year. Since they know an average owner keeps a new BMW for only 3 years, this is a saving for new buyers - isn't that great??? I hate this argument with a burning passion though, it's turning ownership into subscription only to extr…

This is already happening with property ownership being coagulated in cities. How is this a surprise

Good point. Here in the UK the big developers seem to be getting more and more creative in generating post-sale revenues, be it from escalating ground rents, property management fees, captive ISPs, or £3 towel rentals for the sky pool.

Re: What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

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One could implement similar pricing for other time-saving utilities - household appliances for example.

Do you value the time you save by washing your clothes in a washing machine, compared to handwashing? Then maybe you'll be happy to pay £8 per hour for the time your washing machine is running? The washing machine can provide a touch tablet for surfing the web as you (don't) wash.

Re: What would you pay for autonomous driving? Volkswagen hopes $8.50 per hour

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post #221

> In a swipe at Tesla, he said that by charging hourly fees, VW would make autonomous driving more accessible than “a car with a five-digit surcharge.” This is completely disingenuous at best, and malicious at worst. This is a perfect example of the boots theory of socioeconomic unfairness [1]. This is just taking advantage of the poor-middle class' inability to pay a larger upfront cost, to extort them for more over…

Bill Gates says people shouldn't own land, should always rent. That another company from US (forgot name) that buys houses for 50% higher asking price, now this. These days we rent books, games, flats, soon we'll rent homes and cars. No need to own anything when you can pay more money to rent it.

Sure it this encourages rent seeking behavior and has impact on the your long term wealth.

However if your able to derive utility from the product by renting why should you buy ? It is inefficient way to produce and consume goods.

As a society we already waste too much by buying and hardly using things.

Libraries are great way to reduce the number of actual books printed. Most people don't read most books , having a large unread personal collection is common vanity spend people usually do, which is really a waste of resources.

Many people rent camera/lens when they need them instead of buying expensive gear which is rarely used , these are efficiencies that are good to have.

Not all renting is bad

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