The FDroid app store kind of does something similar to this.
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#52This concept is really well put together, and I would love to see it come to life. That said, this quote made me laugh out loud > For example if you're struggling to use Tinder responsibly, you could create a condition that you can only use the app while FaceTiming with a friend.
Look it’s a pandemic. I don’t know if people are still having Tinder parties but they might be having Tinder Zooms?
It’s not a pandemic in the US anymore with the vaccine surplus that we have. Many people still feel that we’re in one, though.
In the words of John Lennon: “war is over (if you want it)”
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#53Things like infinite scroll and autoplay should come with an option to turn them off and I think that’s well presented. Those are kind of dark patterns after All. Though, Apple probably isn’t in the position to enforce that; we unfortunately need to live with Jailbreak tweaks for them. But the rest of the post feels so off. Constantly nagging yourself to close social media? Reminding yourself that social media is a w…
> I want control over what I do, not a random program deciding what I should do. So ask the user once if they want to be reminded? You might not feel like social media is a toxic influence over your life but many people do.
Some people feel like television, and phones in general, are bad influences. Should Apple build in reminders for their first party products, too. A popup telling you that talking on the phone for three hours a day is bad for you, or that encourages you to not binge on that TV series?
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#54Meanwhile, today Microsoft gifted us a brand new "News & interests" area in the taskbar lobbying for our focus and attention. Successfully... I even had to google how to turn it off, and write this comment.
Also had to do the same. The method of disabling it, while not immediately obvious, didn't seem intentionally user-hostile. However, the idea of modifying any part of a user's desktop without their explicit input is troubling to say the least.
Google started doing this on mobile with their chrome for android. Some time ago they introduced an alternative method of presenting open tabs in a grid instead of a list. They of course made the new setting the default and you have to do a Web search to find out how to revert it to the previous setting.
They also disregard your choice upon every update and switch you back to grid view.
Google has become the epitome of bad ux and user-hostile design.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Alcoholics want booze, but many of them wake up every day thinking today they won't drink anything, but they still do. Infinite scroll is a dark pattern in the way it gives you something your addicted brain wants, and therefore you think you might want, but it's actually just a way for them to get more money. Personal anecdote: I hardly read more than the front page on HN, even though I consider HN one of the least '…
> Infinite scroll is a dark pattern in the way it gives you something your addicted brain wants, and therefore you think you might want, but it's actually just a way for them to get more money. Dark patterns are particular UI patterns that are of a certain objective type regardless of whether or not the user is an addict. Infinite scroll is not in the list. Slot machines are addictive and are designed to get people t…
I think dark patterns include patterns designed to create addiction. I imagine a tremendous amount of slot machine design is about creating addiction.
The line between enjoyment and addiction is certainly not clear, or the same for everyone. But anything strongly designed to repeatedly pull you into repetitive behavior that you reliably find wasteful or harmful afterwards, is dark.
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#56Next thing I’d want my router to shut down the internet due to mindless browsing. Also shut it down when it’s too late…like 11pm sounds enough.
I'm not site how a router would identify "mindless browsing", but turning off Internet at certain times is a feature many routers have built in, usually under parental control. Worth a look if you haven't checked.
Personally I ended up with a bit different solution, I wanted to do something similar, but needed it to work on my phone also so I ended up using nextdns to block part of the Internet (reddit and Facebook) after 10. Works reasonably well as trigger to stop my worst doomscrolling offenders.
I wrote up a short post on how to do it https://blog.nyman.re/2021/01/10/reduce-doomscrolling-with.h...
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#57Such a complicated solution. Here's a much simpler one: Stop using Facebook. Problem solved.
In a conversation with someone the other day, I said I tried to participate in my community without using Facebook and it was difficult. They laughed.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the same way that an alcoholic can just stop drinking and then they're no longer an alcoholic, right? That's not how addiction works.
Do alcoholics overcome addiction with “Time well spent” metrics?
Probably not. But what about "I felt well in my body after getting drunk" metric?
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Alcoholics want booze, but many of them wake up every day thinking today they won't drink anything, but they still do. Infinite scroll is a dark pattern in the way it gives you something your addicted brain wants, and therefore you think you might want, but it's actually just a way for them to get more money. Personal anecdote: I hardly read more than the front page on HN, even though I consider HN one of the least '…
> Infinite scroll is a dark pattern in the way it gives you something your addicted brain wants, and therefore you think you might want, but it's actually just a way for them to get more money. Dark patterns are particular UI patterns that are of a certain objective type regardless of whether or not the user is an addict. Infinite scroll is not in the list. Slot machines are addictive and are designed to get people t…
> Infinite scroll is not on the list.
I you want a discussion of semantics then...
Wikipedia defines dark patterns as: "A dark pattern is a user interface that has been carefully crafted to trick users into doing things". Infinite scroll in many cases obviously fits this category as it tricks people into spending more time in an app. Fast company actually calls it the most prevalent dark pattern in this article:
https://www.fastcompany.com/90369183/deceptive-design-tricks...
Also, implying that slot machines don't apply dark patterns is incredibly naive. I'm pretty sure they do everything to make it seem like they don't. But even using a plastic card in stead of cash can be considered a dark pattern, because it disconnects you from the intrinsic form and it just because a number on a screen, causing it to lose its value while playing.
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#60Meanwhile, today Microsoft gifted us a brand new "News & interests" area in the taskbar lobbying for our focus and attention. Successfully... I even had to google how to turn it off, and write this comment.
"News & interests" is another avenue for Microsoft to promote Edge. If you click an article in the "News & interests", it opens in Edge, even if your default browser is set to something else.