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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by fooey »

smnrchrds wrote: post #161
typest wrote: post #102

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This is because Netflix, knowing Apple would take 30%, does not allow you to sign up via an iPhone app. Apple takes 30% if you sign up via iPhone, not if you sign up via web and then use the iPhone app.

Netflix was able to do this because Apple carved out an exception for them by gerrymandering the rules so Netflix could do this. They did that because Netflix was powerful enough. Hey tried to do a similar thing, but Apple was having none of it. They were going to force them to pay them 30%, because they were not powerful enough. When the social media storm made them more powerful, Apple acquiesced.

The little tiny company I work for plays by the same rules. We don't support any subscription payments through either of the app stores, only through our website.

Every couple months Apple will reject us over it, but it always escalates and we always get approved.

Google at least allows us to link to our own website, but if you use our iOS app, you have to figure it out on your own if you want to subscribe.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by tpmoney »

manigandham wrote: post #396
tpmoney wrote: post #388

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So how does Apple limit anyone by offering their choice? Anyone who wants a phone environment where you can install any app and app store you want merely needs to buy and Android phone instead of an iPhone. And anyone who wants a phone environment where developers are far more restricted and are required to behave in certain ways can buy an iPhone instead of an Android. Seems to me everyone wins.

Apple limits everyone by not offering the choice in how their purchased hardware installs and runs their chosen software. We really must steer away from this dystopian view of "choice" amongst trillion-dollar megacorps that control half of the ecosystem. Yes, there should be different rules when they get that big, like serving the user first.

You literally have that choice right now. Today. You can buy ANY smart phone that isn't an Apple phone and you can choose how it installs and runs your chosen software. And for people who don't want the necessary tradeoffs that come with that freedom, they can choose to buy an Apple phone where such a thing isn't possible. Everyone gets what they want.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by fooey »

TX0098812 wrote: post #75
qeternity wrote: post #65

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This. She is operating a platform for creators…that is literally what the AppStore is. She knew the rules when she started playing this game, and wants to appeal to emotions and hyperbole like this is an issue between “life and death”. Why does she get to keep 10%? It’s arbitrary. What if I want to start an app that helps creators manage their Fanhouse content? Should I ask Fanhouse for a cut of their fees so that I…

> She knew the rules when she started playing this game Knowing the situation is not the same as accepting it. Just because I know a couple of large actors control the market does not mean I have to accept the situation.

It does mean you shouldn't bet your business on winning that fight

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by TechBro8615 »

3pt14159 wrote: post #318
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

Microsoft takes 30% of xbox purchases. That's the argument. Apple doesn't take 30% of every purchase you make online. You're free to use a browser and purchase there where Apple doesn't take a cut. I'm not saying I agree with this, and I think 30% is about triple what's reasonable, but if we're going to rail against Apple here, we should include Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft too.

> You're free to use a browser

You may be free to do that, but it’s worth noting that if an app developer tells you that you can use a browser, their app will be rejected and they may have their developer account banned.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by martimarkov »

heavyset_go wrote: post #403
immackay wrote: post #331

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There is indeed alternative ways to get software on Apple mobile devices. Why is this such a common belief? Edit: your point seems to be revolving around the access to physical disks for playstation/xbox, which is 1. Limited to devices that have a disk drive, 2. Limited to software that would similarly be sold on the sony/xbox stores, and 3. Still gives sony/microsoft a cut of the sale. Edit 2: No, I'm not talking ab…

> Edit 2: No, I'm not talking about webapps. You can sideload apps with a free developer account, similar to xbox. This is disingenuous. Not only do you need a paid developer account, you are limited by the number apps you can sideload, you need to compile them yourself and sign them with your key, and they must be resigned and installed every 7 days. You also need to do all of that from a Mac.

You don’t need a paid account but the limit in that scenario is 7 days.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by fooey »

Black101 wrote: post #212
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #154

It's time to stop asking "Why does Apple think they deserve 30% of App Store revenue" and start asking "Why has Apple not demanded 30% of web app revenue yet?". The justification of "We put all the hard work into building the hardware, the OS and the stack so deserve a cut" still stands if a website is opened using the Safari engine. If it doesn't stand then neither does the App Store cut.

> "Why has Apple not demanded 30% of web app revenue yet?" They would if they knew how. Which is probably why they block features on the web so that they can't compete with native apps.

Safari is the new IE6

They're blatantly holding back web tech to maintain their entrenched interests

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by martimarkov »

manigandham wrote: post #375
immackay wrote: post #370

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Can your tech illiterate grammy do it (read: sideloading unsigned programs) all by herself on an xbox or playstation?

She can go to the store and buy a physical disk, yes.

And what happens when she has an Xbox without a disk drive?

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Post by testrun »

pfranz wrote: post #297
manigandham wrote: post #260

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The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.

I think 30% is absurd, but that would definitely change things for every user. I don't want to install Adobe's store because I need to use their PDF reader. I don't want to install Microsoft's store because I need to use Teams or Outlook for work. Other App Stores mean that companies get to make that decision--not end users. How could it be otherwise?

But a company is making the decisions - Apple.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by numair »

There is a culture, that has remained in place since the time when Apple was about to go bankrupt, to try to keep every penny possible. This corporate culture literally saved the company from its death (remember the Bill Gates Borg appearance on the giant screen in ‘97?) but it’s becoming a bit much now.

Apple should have been pulling every trick in the book to help this young female entrepreneur build a digital platform — she’s exactly the sort of person we need in a leadership role in that industry. Instead, they’re killing her business — what? This goes beyond “the rules” ... It’s time for their culture to evolve.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by avereveard »

throw-away_42 wrote: post #164
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #134

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>Apple got this by building an awesome product, but they also played an incredibly evil game that puts Microsoft to shame. It really is funny how we went from a major anti trust case against Microsoft for simply bundling a web browser with their OS [1]. The original decision in that case was actually to break up Microsoft, though was lost on appeal. And here we have Apple doing many magnitudes worse. Even in this ori…

> and that Microsoft had taken actions to crush threats to that monopoly, including Apple, Java, Netscape, Lotus Software, RealNetworks, Linux, and others More than "simply bundling a web browser".

Also they were trying to vendor lock third party hardware, acting in concert with OEM, it was far deeper and wider than Apple controlling access on their own hardware/software/user stack.
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