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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by immackay »

manigandham wrote: post #254
rib3ye wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument is that it's industry standard. Microsoft and Sony also take 30% https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/05/07/playst...

There are alternate ways to get software on those platforms. There isn’t on Apple mobile devices.

There is indeed alternative ways to get software on Apple mobile devices. Why is this such a common belief?

Edit: your point seems to be revolving around the access to physical disks for playstation/xbox, which is 1. Limited to devices that have a disk drive, 2. Limited to software that would similarly be sold on the sony/xbox stores, and 3. Still gives sony/microsoft a cut of the sale.

Edit 2: No, I'm not talking about webapps. You can sideload apps with a free developer account, similar to xbox.

Edit 3: Right, well I guess I'm being "purposely ignorant" and am actually talking about web apps. This was fun HN, lovely discussion.

Edit 4: It does indeed only require a free developer account, and you can strip and resign apps without needing to compile from source.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by xdennis »

insert_coin wrote: post #110
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

Apple doesn't have a monopoly on any market.

GP is wrong about Apple being a monopoly, but he was also talking about "antitrust" and Apple is certainly preventing competition.

It's not uncharacteristic. Apple was the leader of the wage-fixing cartel with Google, Intel and Adobe.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Jcowell »

danso wrote: post #267
Jcowell wrote: post #120

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This is what I largely have a problem with (I personally don’t care about the 30% either way) why can Patreon, a similar service, do this but This app can’t?

Maybe it's been grandfathered in? But isn't it already the status quo for Apple to selectively give favorable treatment to bigger operators? Prime Video's app previously disabled in-app buying, but at some point in the past year they made a deal with Apple: https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/3/21206400/apple-tax-amazon-... > Apple and Amazon very, very quietly unveiled a monumental app deal this week, without fanfare or…

Isn’t that program enrollable though? There’s a thing to beta roll out a feature to select apps and then have it as an API or program.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by stale2002 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #266
manigandham wrote: post #260

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The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.

> The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. Who do you want to pay for building and supporting this functionality? Apple presumably?

> Who do you want to pay for building and supporting this functionality?

No, I can assure you that other companies are perfectly willing to build and support other app stores.

Instead, Apple is the one spending extra money and extra effort in order to prevent this stuff.

Other companies would be more than happy to build these other app stores, if Apple would just get out of the way.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by bananabreakfast »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

This a pretty unfair comparison.

Apple doesn't take a cut of any online purchases made through Safari. They also don't take a cut of any in-app purchases for physical goods. They only take a cut of purchases for digital good purchases and used entirely within an iOS app.

The proper comparison to Microsoft would be buying software or games for Windows through the Microsoft store. Which, by the way, Microsoft also takes their 30% cut too.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by manigandham »

bananabreakfast wrote: post #330
manigandham wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.

Should you be able to directly install games to the PS5? Or have the ability to use a game store besides the PlayStation store? Honest question

Yes, and you can still buy physical disks.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by lupire »

pfranz wrote: post #297
manigandham wrote: post #260

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The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.

I think 30% is absurd, but that would definitely change things for every user. I don't want to install Adobe's store because I need to use their PDF reader. I don't want to install Microsoft's store because I need to use Teams or Outlook for work. Other App Stores mean that companies get to make that decision--not end users. How could it be otherwise?

Why do you feel justified forcing Adobe to make a deal with Apple? You could decline to install Acrobat until it's in a store you like.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by xdennis »

qeternity wrote: post #69
cromwellian wrote: post #64

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But then why doesn't Apple take a 30% cut of every Uber driver fee? 30% of every DoorDash delivered, etc? Why is a platform for monetizing artists any different than a platform for monetizing your car?

They draw a line between digital and physical purchases.

You've explained how those two are different, but not why Apple is entitled to money from digital goods but not physical ones.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by manigandham »

dwaite wrote: post #272
manigandham wrote: post #254

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There are alternate ways to get software on those platforms. There isn’t on Apple mobile devices.

Citation needed? (For Playstation, XBox)

Physical disks.
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