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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by lotsofpulp »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #154

It's time to stop asking "Why does Apple think they deserve 30% of App Store revenue" and start asking "Why has Apple not demanded 30% of web app revenue yet?". The justification of "We put all the hard work into building the hardware, the OS and the stack so deserve a cut" still stands if a website is opened using the Safari engine. If it doesn't stand then neither does the App Store cut.

A seller accepts $x because they are betting they cannot sell at $x+1 at whatever scale they want to sell at.

A buyer gives $x because they are betting they cannot buy at $x-1 at whatever scale they want to buy at.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Dah00n »

andjd wrote: post #96

Down in the thread, they compare their platform to Patreon, which has an app. Exclusive content is a substantial part of Patreon. I'd like a straight-forward explanation of why Patreon is allowed to avoid in-app payments. It seems like a straight-forward violation of apple's rules. Apple having its rules is one thing, but applying them unevenly seems like a problem too, since it protects a whole host of 'grandfathere…

If you are big enough the chance of getting hit by this diminishes and if you do get hit you can make a deal (like Amazon does) to pay less. Rules are for plebs and apps Apple think it might copy some day.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Dah00n »

falcolas wrote: post #18
hellisothers wrote: post #12

Seems pretty disingenuous given they had to have known this would happen (note that OnlyFans has no app)

Makes for a great soundbite though. "We had no idea going in that stepping in front of this bus would hurt us."

"Amazon and Patreon doesn't get hit with a 30% tax. Why do we?" would be less disingenuous.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by manigandham »

rib3ye wrote: post #234
amelius wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the argument is that they (1) host the software in the cloud which costs them money, and (2) they review software for e.g. security issues which costs them money. Anyway, the EU is coming for them: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro... > The Digital Markets Act (DMA) establishes a set of narrowly defined objective criteria for qualifying a large online platform as a so-called “gatek…

The argument is that it's industry standard. Microsoft and Sony also take 30% https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/05/07/playst...

There are alternate ways to get software on those platforms. There isn’t on Apple mobile devices.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by chrisseaton »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #218
3grdlurker wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just like Apple’s App Store the way that it is. I’ve been through so many technology stacks and it I find their platform a joy to work with. The SDKs are coherent, very well-architected, extremely easy to use, and I have access to a user base that has very high adoption rates of the latest software versions so that I don’t have to worry so much about fragmentation. It’s the happiest I’ve been as a coder, so I feel…

When your app has revenues of $100M a month, let's see if you think Apple is providing you $30M worth of value. Sure, if you have 2 sales a month, I guess Apple is providing you $0.60 of revenue. That's not what this thread is about.

> When your app has revenues of $100M a month, let's see if you think Apple is providing you $30M worth of value.

Lol they just told you they think it's reasonable!

Why bother asking for someone’s opinion if we're just going to berate them for it?

I think the Apple cut is justified because Apple provide the best platform. If someone can provide a better platform for a smaller cut people would move to it.

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Post by malka »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #218
3grdlurker wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just like Apple’s App Store the way that it is. I’ve been through so many technology stacks and it I find their platform a joy to work with. The SDKs are coherent, very well-architected, extremely easy to use, and I have access to a user base that has very high adoption rates of the latest software versions so that I don’t have to worry so much about fragmentation. It’s the happiest I’ve been as a coder, so I feel…

When your app has revenues of $100M a month, let's see if you think Apple is providing you $30M worth of value. Sure, if you have 2 sales a month, I guess Apple is providing you $0.60 of revenue. That's not what this thread is about.

why would i give a fuck about the big players ? their paying 30M allows other to have high quality of service for close to nothing.

They can always go away from iOS it they think it is not a fair deal. No one is pointing a gun to their head.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by manigandham »

amelius wrote: post #181
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

Probably the argument is that they (1) host the software in the cloud which costs them money, and (2) they review software for e.g. security issues which costs them money. Anyway, the EU is coming for them: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro... > The Digital Markets Act (DMA) establishes a set of narrowly defined objective criteria for qualifying a large online platform as a so-called “gatek…

Many apps are free so that argument doesn’t hold up. Also 30% of subscription revenue from services they don’t run just because it was purchased through an app is further proof that the fee is just rent seeking.

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Post by ksec »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #25

Serious question, why does everything require an app? Why can't the same thing be accomplished via the mobile web? I get so tired of being prompted to install apps when you could just *show me the damned web page*. Anything that requires speed can be done via webassembly, and sure, anything like games can ship a native app.

>Serious question, why does everything require an app?

An App button on your home screen is zillion times better for 95% of user than a web address.

If Apple allowed one click installation of Web App. ( Not clicking on Safari settings and add Site to Home Screen button ). Or Scanning a QRCode to download a Web App.

Along with adding all the missing Web App features to Safari that could be enabled only for Web App and not Web browser.

That would have been fine by me. This is borderline as good as side loading.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by adolph »

fanhouse is a SFW platform where creators can monetize their social media presence by posting about themselves and their lives

1. Why would creators using fanhouse get to bypass Apple’s tax?

2. Why is this being treated differently from Kindle, which allows creators to distribute content via an app offered in the App Store without paying 30% of ebook price?

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by manigandham »

3grdlurker wrote: post #159
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

I just like Apple’s App Store the way that it is. I’ve been through so many technology stacks and it I find their platform a joy to work with. The SDKs are coherent, very well-architected, extremely easy to use, and I have access to a user base that has very high adoption rates of the latest software versions so that I don’t have to worry so much about fragmentation. It’s the happiest I’ve been as a coder, so I feel…

The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.
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