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Re: Drug users use a lot of drugs

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Post by brutal_chaos_ »

sharken wrote: post #55
newbie789 wrote: post #32

Former meth addict here. > The average crystal meth addict uses about 500 mg a day. And they snort it, which probably produces about double the peak plasma level as taking it orally. So they're getting the equivalent of 1000 mg oral amphetamine daily... 500mg sounds about right, but from my experience the most common route of administration (in the western United States at least) is smoking, not snorting. Because so…

Must admit the specifics of doing drugs is not that interesting to me, it's more interesting to ask the question: How does someone stop doing drugs?

A strong desire to quit and a big support network (family, friends, recovery centers, etc). We tend to look down on addicts, when in fact, we probably should be looking to help. And the more help there is, the better chance someone will have quitting/recovery. Support also means real support, not a parent there because they have to and so they have disgust on their face, nope nope nope, that can make things worse.

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Post by newbie789 »

beebeepka wrote: post #60
newbie789 wrote: post #32

Former meth addict here. > The average crystal meth addict uses about 500 mg a day. And they snort it, which probably produces about double the peak plasma level as taking it orally. So they're getting the equivalent of 1000 mg oral amphetamine daily... 500mg sounds about right, but from my experience the most common route of administration (in the western United States at least) is smoking, not snorting. Because so…

Do regular users also get super horny but unable to perform due... shrinkage?

Yes. Erectile dysfunction drugs were common in my friend group.

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Post by bufordtwain »

newbie789 wrote: post #59
sharken wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Must admit the specifics of doing drugs is not that interesting to me, it's more interesting to ask the question: How does someone stop doing drugs?

I was incredibly lucky. I got to a point where I felt like I wanted to stop (which happens often to a lot of addicts), which coincided with an opportunity to move far away from my hometown, and then also coincidentally found myself surrounded by a fantastic support system. It’s the addict equivalent of flipping a quarter 50 times and having them all come up head. As for a general answer to your question, there isn’t…

Can you provide more details on what the "fantastic support system" consists of?

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Post by beebeepka »

peanut_worm wrote: post #8
rogerclark wrote: post #2

"The most important reason meth makes your teeth fall out and ruins your life but Adderall just makes you study a little harder is that the meth users are taking 50x higher doses" The reason meth addicts have bad teeth isn't because of the dosage of the drug. It's because stimulants make you want to eat candy and drink sugar water, because meth addicts lose track of oral hygiene in favor of doing meth or something el…

Stimulants suppress your appetite but they also make you clench you jaw and grind your teeth involuntarily.

You mean amphetamines, not stimulants in general. I've seen people do much worse when they mix this shit with alcohol, the worst offender that is still perfectly legal

Re: Drug users use a lot of drugs

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Post by volkl48 »

kingTug wrote: post #31
rogerclark wrote: post #2

"The most important reason meth makes your teeth fall out and ruins your life but Adderall just makes you study a little harder is that the meth users are taking 50x higher doses" The reason meth addicts have bad teeth isn't because of the dosage of the drug. It's because stimulants make you want to eat candy and drink sugar water, because meth addicts lose track of oral hygiene in favor of doing meth or something el…

This isn’t correct. Meth, when smoked, is incredibly toxic. The toxic smoke that causes “meth mouth”

While I am certainly willing to believe that illicit meth is...bad for you/toxic and the smoke is as well, I'm not finding much to support the idea of it being the primary cause of (or major contributor to) "meth mouth" in a quick search.

In contrast, every source I find cites the things the prior poster mentioned as the causes.

For example:

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/meth...

> The dental problems may be caused by a combination of poor nutrition and dental hygiene as well as dry mouth and teeth grinding caused by the drug.

I would think they would be mentioning that the toxic smoke is a cause or contributor if there was evidence to support it.

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Post by cwkoss »

I think another major factor that this article didn't point out is drug purity - and what those specific impurities are.

Particularly with drugs like meth, which can be manufactured clandestinely by people who don't understand chemistry well, there are a lot of intermediates or potential reaction byproducts which are orders of magnitude more cardiotoxic or otherwise more harmful than pure methamphetamine. And that's before you get into the potential toxicity of any intentionally-added cutting agents.

I think ketamine synthesis is more involved, so it's likely that illegally manufactured ketamine is comparatively cleaner than illegally manufactured meth, but illicit ketamine is still probably harder on your body than pharmaceutical grade for the same reasons.

Illegal drug manufacturers have a moderate economic pressure to increase purity, but - short of not immediately killing users and losing your customer base - they have little economic incentive to ensure that the impurities that remain in the final product are safe or inert.

Yes, 500mgs of meth a day is almost certainly not good for your health. But these studies are usually not able to control for purity of the meth that is consumed, so I expect for these studies finding adverse effects of chronic use - at least some portion of this effect size is a result of purity issues rather than purely based on dosage.

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Post by meetups323 »

chasebank wrote: post #46
droopyEyelids wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say you use a 0.5 g dab which has a THC content of 70% (most dabs are either 1-gram or 0.5 g). The wax has 0.35 g (350 mg of THC), but you could lose up to one-third of it when vaporizing. If this happens, you’ll end up with roughly 235 mg of THC per hit (if you can finish the whole dab in one hit). Someone without a THC tolerance will be completely satisfied with a 5mg dose, total. Thats 47 doses out of the 23…

I bought and smoked a 'CBD' joint the other day. 0.47% THC, 15% CBD. I think the lady told me a typical joint is 15-25% THC. I was uncomfortably high.

FWIW, it's not like a cigarette, you don't need to smoke the whole thing in one go. You can get little storage tubes and take a couple puffs and you should be much better off. I've had J's last multiple days like this.

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Post by Zutano »

abstractbarista wrote: post #42
droopyEyelids wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say you use a 0.5 g dab which has a THC content of 70% (most dabs are either 1-gram or 0.5 g). The wax has 0.35 g (350 mg of THC), but you could lose up to one-third of it when vaporizing. If this happens, you’ll end up with roughly 235 mg of THC per hit (if you can finish the whole dab in one hit). Someone without a THC tolerance will be completely satisfied with a 5mg dose, total. Thats 47 doses out of the 23…

Just have to say, a half gram dab is a fat dab . I'm sure some people do vaporize all of that at once. However, even with complete inhalation and 'swishing' it in their lungs, they will be wasting a lot of it on the exhale.

'Swishing' in their lungs? I've never heard of that, how does someone even do that?

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Post by loves_mangoes »

Alex3917 wrote: post #57

Somehow he managed to ignore the data showing that a non-trivial percentage of people with KLUTS get it after only doing doses comparable to the psychiatric dose, and sometimes after only doing it once or a handful of times. https://erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_article2.shtm...

I'll add my anecdote to the pile. I don't use ketamine a lot (it is not very good for headaches, pretty good for dulling a mosquito bite until it fades away naturally, excellent for dancing).

I've taken about 1000mg over the course of several months, at irregular intervals. While it is somewhat higher than Scott's 280mg/month, it's not an order of magnitude higher. Certainly nowhere near 90,000mg/month.

I can report one event of pain while peeing, a few days ago. So it looks like my body is not built to handle even moderate levels of ketamine use, and I'd have to stay closer to 100mg/month or lower to be on the safe side.

That said, let me reiterate, this is anecdote. I only think it's interesting because there is no other reasonable explanation for my recent urinary pain, and I didn't expect such low doses of Ketamine to have noticeable effects.

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Post by arijun »

Impassionata wrote: post #48
arijun wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for that? Beyond the NYT piece, which is so laughable it does hit pieces a disservice by being grouped with them.

There's some leaked emails where he plainly states he's chasing that audience. https://web.archive.org/web/20210217195335/https://twitter.c... I wouldn't say he's racist but it's almost worse. He didn't think about how this would go down, which is to say, when you court an audience that has a reputation of being overtly racist, your audience will become more and more racist, driving good people out.

I couldn't read Scott's email at your link but I could here: https://twitter.com/arsonatdennys/status/1362153191102677001

I don't think his reasoning is that crazy here--I certainly don't see it as the smoking gun that you or the person who tweeted it do. I also haven't noticed a huge amount of racists in his comment section, although I have to admit I haven't spent all that much time on the blog.

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