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French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brussels being an phrase often used to mean EU governmental officials and diplomats.

Most of them live in Brussels and speak at least casual French.

I am quite sure they do. But the point was that those EU institutions will revert to using English as their main working language as they have been before the French turn at presidency of the EU begins.

Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are other, better-designed conlangs than Esperanto. Nobody speaks them, sure, but nobody speaks Esperanto either. And if we're going by popularity, might as well pick English anyway.

Esperanto has a pretty big, organised and active community. But you're right. I also think popularity should be the decider. If Esperanto thinks it should be the chosen auxiliary language, it will have to earn it. Personally though, I prefer Ido over Esperanto.

Define "pretty big".

Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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The sane thing to do after the Brexit, was to embrace English as main language, since it has not become neutral ground! According to Wikipedia we have: * Germany: 56% English speakers, 14.5% French speakers * Italy: 34% English vs. 19.43% French * Spain: 22% English vs. 11.73% French * Sweden: 89% English vs. 8% French I can't get over how bad this decision is. How can you ignore these kinds of discrepancies? [1] htt…

My dad told me some time ago that for certain "low risk" documents, the EU distributed them in Norwegian to the Danish and Swedish camps, despite Norway not being in EU. The point being that both can read Norwegian sufficiently, and it saved one translation.

Not sure if it's still done this way.

Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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post #6

After getting the middle finger from the UK they are slowly then quickly excising the English out of their lives.

France is sitting on an economy that hasn't net expanded in inflation-adjusted terms since approximately 1980. Forty years of stagnation, you'd think a nation would consider what it's doing wrong. Their position and importance in the world has collapsed over the past half century - and that's only going to get worse yet.

It's pretty clear how that middle finger exercise is going to turn out for France. The British at least, for their part, are riding the global language (which gives them all manner of advantages, not least of which is cultural export which helps to maintain relevance).

(and no, Mandarin does not have a future in that language role, China's population will rapidly decline and Mandarin is extremely difficult to learn, while simultaneously the global population that speaks English will continue to expand; in 50 years more people will be speaking English and fewer people will be speaking Mandarin)

Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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post #14

> the taste and pride of multilingualism For everybody but the French, that is. > that ersatz of the English language, which narrows the scope of one’s thoughts, and restricts one’s ability to express him or herself And the ability to formulate a new policy with a subtle twist in your favor that no-one gets until it's too late. Embarrassing.

> that ersatz of the English language, which narrows the scope of one’s thoughts, and restricts one’s ability to express him or herself

This sounds awfully close to Sapir–Whorf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity

Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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The sane thing to do after the Brexit, was to embrace English as main language, since it has not become neutral ground! According to Wikipedia we have: * Germany: 56% English speakers, 14.5% French speakers * Italy: 34% English vs. 19.43% French * Spain: 22% English vs. 11.73% French * Sweden: 89% English vs. 8% French I can't get over how bad this decision is. How can you ignore these kinds of discrepancies? [1] htt…

I think embracing english as the main language of the EU is the worst idea since Brexit. It’s anything but neutral. It’s a concession made to the brits and a trojan for the Americans. They left, they can f right off and take their piss poor excuse of a language with them. It works for programming, insults and not much else. If they hadn’t joined the EU to sabotage it, maybe english wouldn’t be as popular in the EU.

Let’s force the 3 letter agencies to improve their deep learning NLP models for other languages.

Nobody speaks it in the EU, but if we’re going with popular languages i also don’t think mandarin would be an appropriate language.

I’m french and I think there should be a common EU language, and for political purpose it should a truly neutral language, like Esperanto or another novlang.

(Or maybe french should become the lingua franca of the EU if French official communications to the EU could only be in German)

Latin is rooted in catholicism, which is anything but neutral in terms of history and human rights.

Let’s level the playing field a bit, there is enough english in the world.

[this post made in english, and I write most often in english because nobody reads french compared to english]

Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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post #102

Somehow this made wonder if Esperanto or at least the idea behind it that we can come up with one common language to use worldwide. If that was actually successful we might have less of this nonsense but then again good luck having everyone agreeing on something ... Hmm oh well

Esperanto is the Linux of languages.

Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

#150

As a non European I find this hillarious and childish.

It is a typical French thing. Since they don't have a global influence anymore since WW2, all they can do is throw hissy fits.

I'm not sure it's quite that simple - they've held the Presidency multiple times in this period but as far as I know they've not performed an action like this. There's certainly something going on, but it's not just a hissy fit. As others have mentioned it's only for the duration of the French presidency, it'll probably get switched to English when the Czech presidency begins.
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