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Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by carabiner »

> We have creators who are unemployed from the pandemic. We have creators who need to pay rent, to pay tuition, to pay medical expenses, and they need their income to survive. Apple's 30% directly threatens their livelihoods.

Does anyone find this reasoning disingenuous? "Will you think of the [children or other unprivileged group]?" Is Apple morally obligated to give money to people with harder lives? It weakens her whole argument. Jasmine knows this. She used to be on OnlyFans which has no app, and is an Ivy League (UPenn) grad. She's trying to keep her cash while making an emotional appeal.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by josephorjoe »

capybara_2020 wrote: post #35

Just curious, if Apple is so bad, why do people build apps for it? Browsers are very robust now a days. I have never built a iPhone or Android app, never needed to. Browsers now a days I imagine can get you atleast 90% of the way. Why go to Apple if you can build a webapp. And it is cross platform so you do not have to maintain a separate Android app. What am I missing?

The web never implemented easy micropayments, and iPhone/Android did.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by fastball »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #25

Serious question, why does everything require an app? Why can't the same thing be accomplished via the mobile web? I get so tired of being prompted to install apps when you could just *show me the damned web page*. Anything that requires speed can be done via webassembly, and sure, anything like games can ship a native app.

We're building a mobile app because our users demand it.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by mdoms »

falcolas wrote: post #22
syntaxing wrote: post #2

Seriously curious, what percentage is “fair”? Or is the issue you can’t side load this app without going through the App Store?

Well, Google charges 30%. Microsoft (for the XBox, not sure about their store) 30%. Sony (PS4) 30%. Steam was 30%, but this is dropping. Nintendo's is well protected by NDAs, but reportedly 15-30%. 30% is pretty close to a standard when you're providing the storefront and control the hardware.

Google allows other payment providers in apps without mandating their own provider. Same with Steam. I don't know about Microsoft or Sony.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by fastball »

capybara_2020 wrote: post #35

Just curious, if Apple is so bad, why do people build apps for it? Browsers are very robust now a days. I have never built a iPhone or Android app, never needed to. Browsers now a days I imagine can get you atleast 90% of the way. Why go to Apple if you can build a webapp. And it is cross platform so you do not have to maintain a separate Android app. What am I missing?

Customers want dedicated mobile apps that they can download from App Stores.

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Post by tpl »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #25

Serious question, why does everything require an app? Why can't the same thing be accomplished via the mobile web? I get so tired of being prompted to install apps when you could just *show me the damned web page*. Anything that requires speed can be done via webassembly, and sure, anything like games can ship a native app.

Apple intentionally hobbled mobile web for a long time on iOS to incentivize people writing a native app over just making a webapp.

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Post by vbezhenar »

capybara_2020 wrote: post #35

Just curious, if Apple is so bad, why do people build apps for it? Browsers are very robust now a days. I have never built a iPhone or Android app, never needed to. Browsers now a days I imagine can get you atleast 90% of the way. Why go to Apple if you can build a webapp. And it is cross platform so you do not have to maintain a separate Android app. What am I missing?

1. Apps get added to the home screen by default. Adding a website to the home screen is not easy and most users are not aware of this function. When app is on the home screen, there are much higher chances that user will return.

2. Push notifications increase return rate as well. Website can't send push notification to iOS client.

So basically it comes down to user retention. Apps allows for better user monetization, compared to websites.

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Post by baby »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #25

Serious question, why does everything require an app? Why can't the same thing be accomplished via the mobile web? I get so tired of being prompted to install apps when you could just *show me the damned web page*. Anything that requires speed can be done via webassembly, and sure, anything like games can ship a native app.

I’m wondering if native mobile apps are doomed to disappear as the web and mobile Browsers meet in the middle, the same way everything was a native app for quite some time in desktop land and now everything is a webapp.
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