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French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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Shame there's no real-world interest in the powers that be to officialize Esperanto.

What would be the point? Might as well make Klingon an official language.

If Klingon were invented in Europe and designed to be a pan-european easy-to-learn language, sure. Otherwise, Esperanto has some desirable attributes as a universal second language.

Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

#82

The sane thing to do after the Brexit, was to embrace English as main language, since it has not become neutral ground! According to Wikipedia we have: * Germany: 56% English speakers, 14.5% French speakers * Italy: 34% English vs. 19.43% French * Spain: 22% English vs. 11.73% French * Sweden: 89% English vs. 8% French I can't get over how bad this decision is. How can you ignore these kinds of discrepancies? [1] htt…

For Sweden and Germany all (guess >99%) of the french speakers speak english way better then french. The amount of english we're exposed to is so massive and the french is basically non-existent.

This is such a useless egoistic move from the french, just accept that english is the lingua franca.

Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would be the point? Might as well make Klingon an official language.

If Klingon were invented in Europe and designed to be a pan-european easy-to-learn language, sure. Otherwise, Esperanto has some desirable attributes as a universal second language.

There are other, better-designed conlangs than Esperanto. Nobody speaks them, sure, but nobody speaks Esperanto either. And if we're going by popularity, might as well pick English anyway.

Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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post #53

Sometimes countries insist of fighting wars that have been over for a long time. This is one example. American attitude towards China rise is another example. Now more seriously, I think what the French are trying to do is just to avoid a complete switch to English in the EU institutions. Since the start of the pandemic, most meetings which used to be multilingual (with interpretation) are now English only and nobody…

I think from the French Gov it's just a way to express how fed up they are with UK Gov Brexit policy. They very well know that English is now the predominant language, Macron is in fact the first French president speaking English so well in public. Long gone is the "francophonie" policy of the 80's, the number of French peoples speaking English have increased considerably in the last 15/20 years. I see no "worries" a…

I don't really think that they care about British on this one. They are gone, after all.

What really happens is that in the 15 last years English has gained space foot in the EU institutions, to the point that they are quickly becoming just English speaking. You have a service which used to homd all meetings in English, a new Croatian, Hungarian or Polish staff member who doesn't speak French arrives and suddenly all the meetings and mass emails are written in English. The opposite doesn't really happen.

After the start of the pandemic French suddenly lost almost all space in meetings with Member States representatives or just multiple services present. They have become English onlycause there is no interpretation anymore and many people can't speak or even understand French. Many people that chose to speak French in meetings (mostly as a matter of principle) now speak English. The change in the last year was huge. French just want to go back to the previous status quo.

Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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post #15

I’d have thought they would have kept English as it’s effectively a neutral language at that point - it would be convenient to avoid accusations of German or French dominance should either push for their’s in English’s place

Are the Irish a joke to you?

Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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post #69

The sane thing to do after the Brexit, was to embrace English as main language, since it has not become neutral ground! According to Wikipedia we have: * Germany: 56% English speakers, 14.5% French speakers * Italy: 34% English vs. 19.43% French * Spain: 22% English vs. 11.73% French * Sweden: 89% English vs. 8% French I can't get over how bad this decision is. How can you ignore these kinds of discrepancies? [1] htt…

> How can you ignore these kinds of discrepancies? The French are (pardon my French) assholes, that's how. Even when the jury votes were announced in the 2021 Eurovision, all of the national representatives held their commentary English, except for the French representative, who did it almost entirely in French. It's also the reason why the European Parliament can never ever abandon Strasbourg even though it makes ab…

Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned on HN. No more of this, please.

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Re: French set to replace English as EU’s ‘working language’

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post #60

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> Not even in Brussels. Most people in Brussels already speak French... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francization_of_Brussels

Brussels being an phrase often used to mean EU governmental officials and diplomats.

Most of them live in Brussels and speak at least casual French.
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