Hello darkness my old friend

I completely sympathize with Mark. I was an Apple hater for years, and was ecstatic when I discovered Linux (Ubuntu 7.04) and could move away from Windows as well.

Then a good friend of mine convinced me to get an iPhone. I was hesitant at first, but after trying one I decided to go for it.

Then I got a job where my choices were a MacBook Pro or a Dell with Vista. Three guesses which one I took (the first two don't count).

I must admit OS X is really nice, and full Unix compatibility is a huge plus. Still... sigh

[Edit: missing period]

Re: Hello darkness my old friend

#5

Post by mariorz » Wed, Aug 13, 2008, 12:27 AM UTC

iPhone owners who do care about Freedom 0 will just jailbreak the thing though.

Re: Hello darkness my old friend

#6

Post by tptacek » Wed, Aug 13, 2008, 1:16 AM UTC

I can't modify the firmware image in my Bosch engine ECU, even though doing so could significantly improve the performance of my car. Mark is right. Nobody gives a shit.

Re: Hello darkness my old friend

#7

Post by tptacek » Wed, Aug 13, 2008, 1:17 AM UTC

mariorz wrote: post #5

iPhone owners who do care about Freedom 0 will just jailbreak the thing though.

... and Apple will do whatever they can to brick those phones, and in the arms race that follows, it's a coin flip as to whether Apple will win (like DirecTV did) or lose (like Microsoft did with the first Xbox).

Re: Hello darkness my old friend

#8

Post by mariorz » Wed, Aug 13, 2008, 1:27 AM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #7

mariorz wrote: post #5

iPhone owners who do care about Freedom 0 will just jailbreak the thing though.

... and Apple will do whatever they can to brick those phones, and in the arms race that follows, it's a coin flip as to whether Apple will win (like DirecTV did) or lose (like Microsoft did with the first Xbox).

I don't think Apple is as pressed to fight this war as DirecTV was.

Also you can jailbreak the thing without additional hardware which wasn't possible in the DirecTV scenario. I doubt that we'll see jailbroken iphones going away anytime soon, the process is becoming effortless even for non-hacker types and the benefits are obvious (even if you've never heard of Freedom 0).

Re: Hello darkness my old friend

#9

Post by tptacek » Wed, Aug 13, 2008, 2:54 AM UTC

mariorz wrote: post #8

tptacek wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and Apple will do whatever they can to brick those phones, and in the arms race that follows, it's a coin flip as to whether Apple will win (like DirecTV did) or lose (like Microsoft did with the first Xbox).

I don't think Apple is as pressed to fight this war as DirecTV was. Also you can jailbreak the thing without additional hardware which wasn't possible in the DirecTV scenario. I doubt that we'll see jailbroken iphones going away anytime soon, the process is becoming effortless even for non-hacker types and the benefits are obvious (even if you've never heard of Freedom 0).

I don't know if Apple feels pressed. It's hard to say if, long term, you'll need hardware to jailbreak an iPod. I'm just pointing out that there is a bit of hubris in the jailbreaker mentality --- it is not, from a CS perspective, an unsolveable problem to make jailbreaking more effort than it's worth. Apple's got a lot of smart people.

Re: Hello darkness my old friend

#10

Post by cypress-hill » Wed, Aug 13, 2008, 5:01 AM UTC

well mark has to realize that to other family members, his issues may not matter. maybe i am using motor oil produced by evil people...i don't know because motor oil is just something i use.

for him, he should stick to his guns. mac products are typically not exceptional and the users are consumer sheep...exactly the same hipsters who mock rampant consumerism elsewhere in society are the ones camping out to buy a phone.

i do so wish anarchists would start tagging apple stores