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El Salvador makes Bitcoin legal tender

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Re: El Salvador makes Bitcoin legal tender

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This site sucks

Instead of being a jerk and trying to shut down a conversation, and making completely unwarranted assumptions about people participating in it, perhaps you could actually make the case. Yeah?

Isn't that what OP did though? Do you see that is hypocritical? I was just parroting back his hypocrisy.

Re: El Salvador makes Bitcoin legal tender

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Where I live ordinary bank transactions are free for ordinary consumers. I never pay a transaction fee or any annual fees. My bank used to charge an annual fee for a credit card but they have stopped charging now. In fact in my whole life (I'm 65 so about 50 years of having bank accounts) I have never paid transaction fees for ordinary transactions (in the UK and Norway).

Greece here, transactions cost 3 EUR. I think they're possibly free if you use the same bank, but the apps are cumbersome to use and the potential for fees is a deterrent, so nobody uses them for transactions of less than hundreds of EUR.

Greece is part of SEPA, I thought euro transfers would be free in that case.

Re: El Salvador makes Bitcoin legal tender

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I can see someone explaining to their grandmother about having to move her BTC to offline cold storage and storing her private keys securely or she could lose her life's savings in an instant with no recourse

LOL! Very true.. Who the hell has time to figure out all this stuff? I personally think the day the digital US dollar is developed and can be stored in your IPhone. If I can take my locally stored digital dollar and then send it via imessage or whatsapp, then the game is truly over for Bitcoin.

   I personally think the day the digital US dollar is developed  …
The digital US dollar is pretty much in use already, or do you think your bank has anything physical resembling the number on your account?

Re: El Salvador makes Bitcoin legal tender

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"Bitcoin is positioned to disrupt the remittances industry in El Salvador, estimated at about $5 billion annually. Most families in towns like El Zonte do not have bank accounts, and rely on services such as Western Union WU +0.5%, which take 5-10% in fees. The closest Western Union is approximately one hour by bus, requiring the recipient of the cash transfer to take the bus back with cash on hand, creating a safety…

The WU fees are likely so high because they can be. If there's no competition, why not rake profits? I'm curious what the fees will be in a few weeks.

Re: El Salvador makes Bitcoin legal tender

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Sigh. Bitcoin BTC, at 3 transactions per second, doesn't have the capacity to support El Salvador's economy. Even if Lightning worked (it doesn't), BTC doesn't have enough capacity to open channels for users at a reasonable cost. Salvadorians will end up forced to use proprietary payment networks denominated in BTC. BTC is not cash anymore, it won't work as such. There are other cryptos that could work, we'll have to…

Lightning does work. I've used it myself as have many others. You should really work on explaining what it is you actually mean by that statement instead.

Apparently they are using Lightning and a service LN Strike that recently launched.

https://twitter.com/starkness/status/1402635954653904902?s=2...

Re: El Salvador makes Bitcoin legal tender

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> The El Salvador President has previously said the move will open up financial services to the 70% of Salvadoreans who do not have bank accounts. Right. People who can't even afford a bank account would now all be using financial services by paying 10 dollars per transaction.

Shortsighted. If you make one legal tender, suddenly they all are more useful there. Doge transactions outside of their system for small things, their corpo BTC chain for larger things? Maybe.

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LOL! Very true.. Who the hell has time to figure out all this stuff? I personally think the day the digital US dollar is developed and can be stored in your IPhone. If I can take my locally stored digital dollar and then send it via imessage or whatsapp, then the game is truly over for Bitcoin.

I like physical analog cash even though its a pain in the ass to carry. Cashless society is terrifying to me.

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Re: El Salvador makes Bitcoin legal tender

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> Who the hell has time to figure out all this stuff? Nobody will have to learn this stuff, if the BTC economy develops there will be professional custodials for all levels. Eg. banks. But the importance is that there is always the option to self-custody if you want to. With fiat you don't have that option even in theory. I think the option for self-custody is what makes BTC powerful alternative, not necessarily how…

> But the importance is that there is always the option to self-custody if you want to. With fiat you don't have that option even in theory. You mean that if you store cash it will magically disappear once you hit a certain quantity or age?

Physical cash is ridiculously cumbersome and difficult to handle in larger quantities. I wouldn't probably be able to get $10k worth of cash from my local bank, and getting something like $100k would probably require days and lots of work. However if I have millions worth of BTC at some big exchange, I can move that amount to a secure self custody in 10 minutes without a hassle.
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