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Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Sorry, you lost me at 'Microsoft'.

https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/vivaldi.html Seems like your bar is low, but not that low.

The last update was made in 2018. That's a long time. It would be nice to revisit this now that they've have added more services (Mail, translations, expanded Sync) and see their impact to the browser's privacy.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

#72
post #65

Looks pretty good, but I'm a bit sceptical of the translation feature. They introduce it by saying Google has access to everything you translate, so therefore you should instead use their service, which sends the texts you translate to their servers in Iceland. The formulations try really hard not to say "trust us with your data instead of big tech", which seems like an attempt to hide the fact that they do have acce…

vivaldi :)

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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post #60

I want to offer Vivaldi some praise, I switched to it as my main browser a few years ago, and it's been great. I had to look for a new browser when Firefox (that I had used since the Firebird days) kept breaking my settings and plugins with their updates. After yet another Firefox update I wasn't able to restore the browser to how I want it to be, so I tried Vivaldi. I'm not even a big fan of the original Opera, but…

Also Vivaldi is faster.

I find this statement a bit puzzling. Vivaldi is the slowest browser I've tried in recent years. The couple times I used it I always went back to Firefox after a few weeks because I couldn't stand the sluggish UI anymore. Maybe it improved by now, but I find it hard to believe it's now supposed to be faster after Firefox' massive performance updates.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

#74

For an open-source recreation of Opera 12, there is Otter: https://otter-browser.org

I used Otter as a second browser for some time, but, despite all my empathy from the project, a few years ago I stopped.

- Installing and upgrading was a pain on Linux, and compiling was even worse. At first there were no AppImage for it. Then they were created but at first they were half-broken (the whole process of creating an AppImage is hacky and Qt projects were especially hard). It seems the AppImage broke again in 2018.

- The web engine comes from Qt. IIRC, it's an old fork of webkit. Many sites were not compatible, and I suspect the situation goes worse with every year.

I recommend trying Otter, but don't expect it to replace your everyday browser.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

#75
post #45

I'm trying Vivaldi again since as an expat I depend on single-click in-browser translation. For me, the killer feature is built-in no-nonsense vertical tabs, something I had in Galeon many years ago because it used the Gtk+ tab widget. I hate hate hate that Chromium cannot do this, because dogma.

Vertical tabs without the 'tree' aspect (at least when I last used Vivaldi). Firefox with Tree Style Tab extension is still the best option I've found so far.

I switched from Firefox + Tree Style Tabs to Vivaldi + Tab Stacks and I mostly prefer it. The ability to tile tabs within a group is the killer feature, as well as it being much better supported by being native. Stack by host is great too. The big tradeoff is that you only get one layer of nesting, but I find it's generally worth that tradeoff for me.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

#76
post #31

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I believe Opera was the first browsers to introduce tabs.

It also had mouse gestures, right click drag left to go back, right click... swirl? to reload... felt like I was casting spells!

> right click drag left to go back, right click... swirl? to reload

I still customise my Chrome and Firefox mouse gestures add-ons to work exactly this way, despite having long forgotten where those conventions originally came from.

Other gestures I have, probably also from Opera:

DL: Left tab

RL: Right tab

D: Page Down

U: Page Up

RLR: Close tab/window

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

Opera had some ridiculously powerful keyboard shortcuts and performance as well for the time. I used to play this web game years ago and past beginner level the only way to compete was to use Opera because you could use a combination of keyboard shortcuts to send attacks/defences from multiple tabs within milliseconds.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

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Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

> Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. Oh, it's definitely recreating the experience of Opera. You encounter an annoying bug, you report it to their private bug tracker, and then they'll fix it in two years. Maybe. If you're lucky. And you don't get to know its status in the meantime. And the macOS version still feels like an afterthought sometimes. S…

I guess I had it good, I was using the Windows and Linux Opera versions. The Windows version was always solid.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

#80

Not going to download it just to find out that they didn't bother supporting Office365.

Don't blame them, office365 is a pain in the ass to support.

I know. That's why I wrote the comment.

There's honestly very little value in yet another IMAP client. Fixing a little bit the broken ecosystems around Exchange would be a million times more useful to the world.

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