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Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by johnswas »

foolfoolz wrote: post #452
amadeuspagel wrote: post #451

If we ignore all this culture war bullshit for a minute there's a really fascinating issue here. The concrete issue is flight search. When you google "flight from a to b", rather then seeing search results linking to websites for flight search, the first thing you see is the results of Google's own flight search. Is that wrong? What about image search? When you search for "skyline berlin", you'll see images of berlin…

no one is forcing you to use google. you could always pick a different one if you want different results

Ah yes, the "no one is forcing you" argument comes in almost every conversation where people complain about the truth of something. Almost as if they can do whatever they want and of course "no one is forcing you to use it". Also implying that you accepted the wrong doings but trying as best as you can to defend it.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by shkkmo »

idiotsecant wrote: post #367
shkkmo wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a matter of degree, but that degree is not small. Anytime you decrease the interval, you need to justify the commensurate loss of privacy. You can't just handwave away these concerns like posters in this thread are doing. A rough inference of which months might involve vacations (data about which is probably already being sold from other sources) is far less invasive than a daily record of your sleep cycle. Wit…

...You say from your personal wiretapping device.

Which I have the ability to choose when/if I am survieled by by leaving it at home or throwing it in a river.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by wernercd »

caslon wrote: post #158
msbarnett wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now try advertising your business while avoiding Google. Keep in mind that if you don't buy ads under your Company's Name from Google, Google will allow your competitors to buy those placements and make them the top results anyone searching your company on Google will see.

Advertisement is immoral and totally unnecessary to have a profitable business.

> advertisment is immoral

Interesting opinion... have any facts to back up such an opinion? What's immoral about... spreading information about you and your business?

There are immoral ways to go about advertising, without doubt. But advertising itself is immoral?

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by anders_p »

foolfoolz wrote: post #452
amadeuspagel wrote: post #451

If we ignore all this culture war bullshit for a minute there's a really fascinating issue here. The concrete issue is flight search. When you google "flight from a to b", rather then seeing search results linking to websites for flight search, the first thing you see is the results of Google's own flight search. Is that wrong? What about image search? When you search for "skyline berlin", you'll see images of berlin…

no one is forcing you to use google. you could always pick a different one if you want different results

You completely missed the point of the comment.

Google is stealing ideas and products, that they know are viable through the metrics they gather from the search data.

Then they implement those products and embed them ABOVE the search results.

Effectively killing off the competitors, who invented and build the original products.

HOW are developers free to avoid Google killing off their businesses like that?

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by russian-hacker »

foolfoolz wrote: post #452
amadeuspagel wrote: post #451

If we ignore all this culture war bullshit for a minute there's a really fascinating issue here. The concrete issue is flight search. When you google "flight from a to b", rather then seeing search results linking to websites for flight search, the first thing you see is the results of Google's own flight search. Is that wrong? What about image search? When you search for "skyline berlin", you'll see images of berlin…

no one is forcing you to use google. you could always pick a different one if you want different results

No one is forcing you to use an electrical company. You could always power your house with a bicycle generator. Therefore, electrical companies shouldn't be regulated as public utilities.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by codelord »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #451

If we ignore all this culture war bullshit for a minute there's a really fascinating issue here. The concrete issue is flight search. When you google "flight from a to b", rather then seeing search results linking to websites for flight search, the first thing you see is the results of Google's own flight search. Is that wrong? What about image search? When you search for "skyline berlin", you'll see images of berlin…

On the one hand it seems Google is unstoppable. Google can do everything. But I think iPhone showed an alternative path. Now most people are actually using apps (not Google) on mobile for different functionalities. I guess this is the argument that Google has been making but I buy that. My guess is 20 years from now Android, YouTube, Google Maps, etc. would be more valuable for Google than search.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by [deleted] »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #451

If we ignore all this culture war bullshit for a minute there's a really fascinating issue here. The concrete issue is flight search. When you google "flight from a to b", rather then seeing search results linking to websites for flight search, the first thing you see is the results of Google's own flight search. Is that wrong? What about image search? When you search for "skyline berlin", you'll see images of berlin…

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Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by ipaddr »

SilverRed wrote: post #388
ipaddr wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefiox: I remember the first few versions since the rewrite. It was very fast. Fast forward to today and it's so slow. What is the reason? Are the privacy changes affecting this by using more resources or pages are requesting domains that hang for too long? It gives rust a bad name because this is one of the bigger rust products I know.

Hardly any of firefox is using rust. Servo was abandoned. I think the only rust part of FF right now is the CSS engine.

Servo was abandoned after all of the fanfaire? Was a reason ever given? I thought we were in the servo era.

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by judge2020 »

russian-hacker wrote: post #465
foolfoolz wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no one is forcing you to use google. you could always pick a different one if you want different results

No one is forcing you to use an electrical company. You could always power your house with a bicycle generator. Therefore, electrical companies shouldn't be regulated as public utilities.

Creating your own power plant, lugging gallons of oil for power generation, or hiring someone to 24/7 power you home via bicycle all cost a few orders of magnitude more than paying the utility company for service, and creating a competing utility company wouldn't make sense competitively in any way, so naturally there's a monopoly. For search engines, it's both easy to switch to a different one as a consumer and it's easy for someone new to come in and create a profitable competitor (see bing, ddg).

Re: Ohio sues Google, seeks to declare the internet company a public utility

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Post by craftinator »

foolfoolz wrote: post #452
amadeuspagel wrote: post #451

If we ignore all this culture war bullshit for a minute there's a really fascinating issue here. The concrete issue is flight search. When you google "flight from a to b", rather then seeing search results linking to websites for flight search, the first thing you see is the results of Google's own flight search. Is that wrong? What about image search? When you search for "skyline berlin", you'll see images of berlin…

no one is forcing you to use google. you could always pick a different one if you want different results

You could always write a program that fuzzed urls at random then downloaded whatever's at that address with curl!
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