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Re: Vinix – An effort to write a modern, fast, and interesting operating system in V

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Post by dnautics »

unclad5968 wrote: post #49
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either that's slander, or it needs some explanation and, preferably, documentation.

The initial alpha (beta?) release of the project was scheduled for public review, but the developer was accepting payments for early access. I won't comment on the state of the release that some people paid for. The devs seem to have made a few enemies. Devs of other small projects, specifically Nim and Zig aren't fans of V to say the least. Nim devs allege that the V project has made defamatory remarks about their p…

I imagine quite a bit of the dustup might be language issues and cultural issues around what is and isn't okay / how to differentiate between planned feature and existing feature.

Re: Vinix – An effort to write a modern, fast, and interesting operating system in V

#52

Post by ylluminate »

unclad5968 wrote: post #49
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either that's slander, or it needs some explanation and, preferably, documentation.

The initial alpha (beta?) release of the project was scheduled for public review, but the developer was accepting payments for early access. I won't comment on the state of the release that some people paid for. The devs seem to have made a few enemies. Devs of other small projects, specifically Nim and Zig aren't fans of V to say the least. Nim devs allege that the V project has made defamatory remarks about their p…

All of this has been addressed and/and resolved elsewhere. Not sure of references of the top of my head, but check Discord (and/or maybe GH).

Re: Vinix – An effort to write a modern, fast, and interesting operating system in V

#53

Post by ylluminate »

dnautics wrote: post #51
unclad5968 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The initial alpha (beta?) release of the project was scheduled for public review, but the developer was accepting payments for early access. I won't comment on the state of the release that some people paid for. The devs seem to have made a few enemies. Devs of other small projects, specifically Nim and Zig aren't fans of V to say the least. Nim devs allege that the V project has made defamatory remarks about their p…

I imagine quite a bit of the dustup might be language issues and cultural issues around what is and isn't okay / how to differentiate between planned feature and existing feature.

It has been somewhat sad in that I have seen cultural / communication problems. There are a lot of folks who just don't talk or comport the same from different regions around the world and it has been easily misinterpreted as negative vs simply not functioning the same socially.

Re: Vinix – An effort to write a modern, fast, and interesting operating system in V

#54

Post by klyrs »

ylluminate wrote: post #48
colejohnson66 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just saying “FALSE” doesn’t address the big issue: Christine was blocked for asking questions.

I think, if that happened, perceived trolling is the more appropriate interpretation of what happened there to Christine. You're acting angry and critical whereas in reality we should be focused on solving problems and building community to make things good for everyone.

> You're acting angry and critical whereas in reality we should be focused on solving problems and building community to make things good for everyone.

Sorry, but you can't flip a critic into a productive community member by calling them angry. If you want help building community, you need to inspire trust with a kickass product that meets or exceeds your promises

Critics fall away when they can't find valid criticism; browbeating and blocking them will only amplify the criticism. I see crap like this on almost all vlang-related posts. Y'all won't beat the drama with your current approach.

Re: Vinix – An effort to write a modern, fast, and interesting operating system in V

#55

Post by super_flanker »

vlang1dot0 wrote: post #18
ylluminate wrote: post #16

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These issues should / could all be addressed - if you're in Discord already, which it sounds like you probably are, feel free to talk about each point. The C2V source IS in fact, already available to many folks (v devs specifically, of which there are many).

The last time I asked about how the memory management would work, the conversation was quickly shut down by a vlang dev (not Alex) who grilled on me on why I wanted to know how the language worked. I've seen this same reaction to other newcomers who dare to ask reasonable questions instead of simply drinking the Kool aide.

Ditto same experience, I asked if somebody could explain me the memory model of V; and all of sudden hell broke loose. I was asked why do I need to know how memory model worked, are you a troll, if you don't contribute to the lang you're not welcome here. Never asked a second question again.

Re: Vinix – An effort to write a modern, fast, and interesting operating system in V

#57

Post by xena »

ylluminate wrote: post #48
colejohnson66 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just saying “FALSE” doesn’t address the big issue: Christine was blocked for asking questions.

I think, if that happened, perceived trolling is the more appropriate interpretation of what happened there to Christine. You're acting angry and critical whereas in reality we should be focused on solving problems and building community to make things good for everyone.

I am part of everyone. I can't benefit from a tool I am banned from contributing in for speaking critical of it.

Re: Vinix – An effort to write a modern, fast, and interesting operating system in V

#58

Post by xena »

unclad5968 wrote: post #49
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either that's slander, or it needs some explanation and, preferably, documentation.

The initial alpha (beta?) release of the project was scheduled for public review, but the developer was accepting payments for early access. I won't comment on the state of the release that some people paid for. The devs seem to have made a few enemies. Devs of other small projects, specifically Nim and Zig aren't fans of V to say the least. Nim devs allege that the V project has made defamatory remarks about their p…

I am the author of articles [2], [3], and [4] if you have any questions.

Re: Vinix – An effort to write a modern, fast, and interesting operating system in V

#59

Post by Twirrim »

creata wrote: post #13
vlang1dot0 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things have improved but it's not clear the author realizes the magnitude of what he's trying to do. The big ticket item is the autofree memory management system which promises near C/Rust performance and minimal overhead without the complexity of borrowing and ownership. To date, this system does not work and is "wip" as the vlang community likes to say. There are also no clear explanations of how it works beyond ju…

Reminds me of this line by tom_mellior[0]: > I wish people stopped approaching language design from the point of view that the people who have been working on garbage collection for the last 60 years are all idiots who don't see how simple it all is. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26765369

Honestly, that describes a lot of the tech hype cycle.

The classic example would be MongoDB and other NoSQL solutions etc. in the early days. We can be lightning fast compared to these RDBs! Clearly they're idiots, as is anyone that uses them!

Oh wait, what? You mean it's hard to actually work with data durably, and that not doing so is the main reason we're faster... crap.

Re: Vinix – An effort to write a modern, fast, and interesting operating system in V

#60

Post by colesantiago »

davtur19 wrote: post #20

Have you bought github stars from a click farm again and then show how many stars you have compared to other langs?

Imagine caring about a projects organic growth from GitHub stars from China lol.

The simplest explanation is that maybe they 'like' the project?

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