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Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

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Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

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post #29

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If they get hold of your wallet's private key, they can seize it in any system.

They are more than welcome to do it if I break any law but I have to say you I'm not. By the way they can seize funds from your or my bank account as well there is nothing special about "crypto" coins they are not outside the law code is not law.

Therein lies the difference between "authority" and "power".

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

#72
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they get hold of your wallet's private key, they can seize it in any system.

They are more than welcome to do it if I break any law but I have to say you I'm not. By the way they can seize funds from your or my bank account as well there is nothing special about "crypto" coins they are not outside the law code is not law.

I could send you my wallet and you still couldn't cash them out... they are GPG encrypted

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

#73
post #3

Event 1 as story 2 happens. This always drives me nuts about financial reporting.

Recently I saw a WSJ article where they surprisingly couldn't find a story 2, and so it said something like: stock prices decline as investors sell risky assets Which is almost a tautology, so idunno, maybe that's better than the usual thing, but then scroll down the article and it says bond prices were also down as investors also sold their less risky assets

There were an equal number of investors how bought those risky assets, albeit at a lower price than the day before.

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

#74
post #25

More detail on how they managed to get access to that password/private key? Edit: I found the bitcoin address https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/bc1q7eqww9dmm9p48hx5y...

Apparently through the FBI docs...

Ransom was paid to darkside

Darkside tries to launder money on blockchain

Through blockchain explorer, the BTC ends up on Coinbase in attempt to liquidate. Coinbase has keys, and hands them over to FBI.

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

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post #22
post #7

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Yes, it's a dark pattern in journalism. They hint at causation while having plausible deniability. Used to bother me too when I checked Yahoo Finance, every other day the market would be up/down "as" whatever happened that day that might have anything to do with the economy.

To be fair, it's usually pretty hard to say why stock prices change. Even with hindsight. Mostly because anticipation is so important.

The thing I learn early in my career when I was working in finance was that research analysts are pretty useless. There are too many factors that go into why a stock goes up and down including unknown parties executing large trades for their corporate strategy. I used to joke the weatherman has better predictions because at least he has a satellite. There are simply too many parties trading to truly know.

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

#77
post #35

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If it was not hacked then I believe the implication is that the key was cracked. Presumably, via brute force capability of unknown nature or a weakness in Bitcoin not known at this time.

As others have pointed out in another post, you don't reveal that you've broken an important cryptographic algorithm over $2M.

This was not about $2M. It was a response to what was publicly interpreted as a nation-state cyber attack on infrastructure.

This was about principle and demonstration of capability.

If it is true the US has the ability to calculate BTC wallet keys as fast as it did, the price should fall.

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

#78
post #8

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Indeed. $2.3 million dollars of BTC isn't too much.

It’s not, but it sets the precedent that the FBI will seize bitcoin without any kind of due process when it is able to recover proceeds from a criminal transaction . This jeopardizes the use of Bitcoin as a currency for cross-border criminal transactions which is a large if not majority share of its use case. So it’s easy to see why its value went down — fewer criminals will want to use it.

Yeah, and it makes it even easier to do legally because nobody owns the network.

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

#79
post #56
post #44

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> If it was not hacked then I believe the implication is that the key was cracked. Is anyone here willing to say they believe the key was cracked? Seems extremely implausible to me.

I’m open to alternatives, though I have felt that the response to this involved the highest level cyber warfare capabilities of the United States. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27156073 I would not be surprised to find out the US has this capability.

I would be surprised if they would reveal themselves as having it for $2.3 million.
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