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Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

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Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People should take care to distinguish pseudo-anonymous chains like btc from anonymous ones like zerocoin. As soon as the ransom payment was transacted, the whole world could watch the chain and see the next step in its travel.

"Wouldn't it be great if we could get criminals to use a 100% public transparent ledger???"

I know right?

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

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Event 1 as story 2 happens. This always drives me nuts about financial reporting.

Yes, it's a dark pattern in journalism. They hint at causation while having plausible deniability. Used to bother me too when I checked Yahoo Finance, every other day the market would be up/down "as" whatever happened that day that might have anything to do with the economy.

To be fair, it's usually pretty hard to say why stock prices change. Even with hindsight.

Mostly because anticipation is so important.

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

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Event 1 as story 2 happens. This always drives me nuts about financial reporting.

Not just financial reporting. "Portland burns as Trump golfs" type stories were super common as well over the past 4 years or even "Politician X does Y as covid cases rise" if media wanted to throw shade on Politician X last year

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

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Correlation is not causation.

True. But the prices of most of the ALT coins are correlated with BTC, which has also caused them to go down too (in the same way they went up with it before May).

I wonder if the future push towards Proof-of-Stake away from Proof-of-Work will one day stop this happening.

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. $2.3 million dollars of BTC isn't too much.

It’s not, but it sets the precedent that the FBI will seize bitcoin without any kind of due process when it is able to recover proceeds from a criminal transaction . This jeopardizes the use of Bitcoin as a currency for cross-border criminal transactions which is a large if not majority share of its use case. So it’s easy to see why its value went down — fewer criminals will want to use it.

I'm still doubtful the things are causally correlated. Wouldn't privacy coins then increase in price immediately as well?

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People should take care to distinguish pseudo-anonymous chains like btc from anonymous ones like zerocoin. As soon as the ransom payment was transacted, the whole world could watch the chain and see the next step in its travel.

"Wouldn't it be great if we could get criminals to use a 100% public transparent ledger???"

--The FBI in 2008, probably

(but really the FBI since the Bank Secrecy Act and before)

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

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I find it amusing how all the news reports gloss over the fact that the FBI somehow got access to the wallet’s private key. I’m also wondering why the hackers didn’t request payment in a currency that’s more difficult to trace.

I think it's that BTC is easier to get victims to buy without oversight. There are Bitcoin ATMs. Buying Bitcoin from an ATM is like sending money via Western Union, but without the teller there to spot someone looking like they're under duress.

As for anonymity on the receiving end: the BTC can always just be exchanged for a more anonymous currency like Monero. You might think that'd require the criminal to KYC to a [centralized] exchange, but there are decentralized exchanges (i.e. DEXes — on-chain, crypto-for-crypto exchanges with no support for fiat deposit/withdrawal), and these have no need for KYC, since they don't touch the real banking system.

Re: Bitcoin extends losses after U.S. seizes most of Colonial ransom

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I find it amusing how all the news reports gloss over the fact that the FBI somehow got access to the wallet’s private key. I’m also wondering why the hackers didn’t request payment in a currency that’s more difficult to trace.

> I’m also wondering why the hackers didn’t request payment in a currency that’s more difficult to trace.

Because they need to cash out somehow? Being crypto-currency rich doesn't mean much if you're unable to exchange the crypto-currency for real money.

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