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FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by whereistimbo »

speeder wrote: post #52
whereistimbo wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fairphone doesn't. Fairphone goes as far as giving percentage of phone sales to factory workers.

Sadly not available in my country :( I wanted to buy it, or its German competitor I forgot name, but both are not allowed in Brazil. (I mean, you CAN risk it... but legally the government can ban you from the network if you try)

Yeah right? I'm salivating that even its screen could be detached by a simple pop out and no glue ever used to assemble the phone (maybe the modules are, I don't know).

My previous phone was Xiaomi Mi A1, it died and I couldn't turn it back on, and disassembling the phone is very hard. Then the phone gone somewhere else I don't know. Yet another e-waste. I don't have any smartphone right now.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by simondotau »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #39
michaelt wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because of a long tradition of the system libraries being fucked. All this stuff started in the days of Windows XP, which shipped with such a meagre selection of codecs you couldn't even play DVDs. And the codecs you could download? Either they cost money (i.e. most users wouldn't have them), or they were dodging license costs by some questionable means, or they had bigger aspirations than just providing a mere codec…

VLC also has the advantage of being developed in France, where the legal system does not recognise software patents.

Really! My respect for France has gone up a few notches.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by aseipp »

tyrion wrote: post #49

It may seem an advantage to use the latest cutting edge features of a single platform, instead of using well established standards which are compatible with every browser. Sure, you are going to leave out some small minority of users, but you gain access to many new features. However, you are helping push the web become an increasingly centralized place, controlled by just a few entities, with interests which are ver…

> Next time that your manager asks you if you can have that sweet feature, instead of saying "sure, we just need to drop support for Firefox", please consider trying to explain what are the consequences in the long term.

If the future of the web relies on developers groveling at the feet of a manager, then there's no fight or discussion to be had, because the web has already unequivocally lost. The only thing that's happening is a discussion about whether to parade on the corpse or not.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by namdnay »

simondotau wrote: post #62
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VLC also has the advantage of being developed in France, where the legal system does not recognise software patents.

Really! My respect for France has gone up a few notches.

Don't get too excited, in France there's a tax on all storage devices (sd cards, usb sticks, hdds, laptops, phones etc) to help subsidise the record and film industry...

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by hinoki »

Devasta wrote: post #57

Web standards stopped mattering in 2004, these days the only browsers that need to be considered are Chrome and mobile Safari, everything else from other browsers to standards bodies is just an exercise in pretending those two browsers don't have control over the web. Those two will never be unseated; the constant addition and change of new APIs means that trying to create a new browser is a herculean task beyond the…

Even Microsoft couldn’t do it, gave up, and just used Blink.

I assume management just saw how much of each release was spent being bug compatible with Chrome and decided it wasn’t worth it.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

If you review Mozilla's business practices, constant spending on NGOs and Politics, ludicrous executive compensation, and recent layoffs of the engineering team, constant buying and starting of new projects (Pocket, Firefox OS) only to abandon them, and so on, it is clear that at least part of the story is that Firefox has been through incredible mismanagement even as they should have been in the fight for their lives.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by kevincox »

hinoki wrote: post #66
Devasta wrote: post #57

Web standards stopped mattering in 2004, these days the only browsers that need to be considered are Chrome and mobile Safari, everything else from other browsers to standards bodies is just an exercise in pretending those two browsers don't have control over the web. Those two will never be unseated; the constant addition and change of new APIs means that trying to create a new browser is a herculean task beyond the…

Even Microsoft couldn’t do it, gave up, and just used Blink. I assume management just saw how much of each release was spent being bug compatible with Chrome and decided it wasn’t worth it.

Microsoft dropping EdgeHTML was the biggest blow to the open web in many years. I really hope that Mozilla can pull some magic to keep Google from maintaining basically full control of web standards.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by teekert »

southerntofu wrote: post #40
teekert wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi ow can I pay to get the encoder into my FF? Like I paid to get some en/decoding in my raspberry pi’s.

I personally believe Raspberry Pi made the wrong decision in using non-free hardware which required non-free firmware to operate key features such as video encoding/decoding. Why would we encourage Firefox or others to do the same and develop a business model based on patents? Especially so when these patents are owned by huge conglomerates of corporate psychopaths (hello MPEG-LA) and the software editor we're talkin…

For the record, I very much agree with you.

Re: FaceTime on the web requires Chrome or Edge, no mention of Firefox

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Post by EveYoung »

tyrion wrote: post #49

It may seem an advantage to use the latest cutting edge features of a single platform, instead of using well established standards which are compatible with every browser. Sure, you are going to leave out some small minority of users, but you gain access to many new features. However, you are helping push the web become an increasingly centralized place, controlled by just a few entities, with interests which are ver…

Why put all this responsibility on developers? I'm pretty sure none of my former managers could have been swayed by talking about the long-time independence of the web. Usually, the most pressing issue was fixing bugs in prod and delivering features on time.
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