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Launch HN: Quadrant Eye (YC W21) – Tackling online eye exams and at-home eyecare

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Re: Launch HN: Quadrant Eye (YC W21) – Tackling online eye exams and at-home eyecare

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Thanks! Kristine and I will do some tag-teaming on this. 1) Currently a lot of other services ask people to take "x" number of footsteps away from the screen to approximate "y" feet from the monitor. Using this context, I'd argue that the variation in arm length isn't as dramatic as variation in foot size. Ultimately though, when we're using near vision as a proxy for distance vision, the natural variation in arm len…

Cool! I can see there's a lot of creativity that goes into replicating in-person vision tests with a reasonably valid unsupervised version on people's home equipment. I hope you have success replicating as many of them as possible. It's interesting to think of the adversarial element in #5 where vision test results are used to qualify for something. In this case a completely unsupervised test is really easy to cheat…

Yeah, in the absence of in-person supervision, there are a lot of safety measures that need to be implemented. For example, making sure that people are at the correct testing distance (via a number of potential feedback mechanisms that we're testing) and making sure that people can't zoom in on the optotypes to cheat.

The psychology of how people relate to their vision -- especially the independence that good vision affords -- is very complex and certainly something I wish that our training spent more time emphasizing. There are patients who come into clinic with relatively minor and non-vision threatening problems who are afraid of imminently going blind, and there are patients on the other end of the spectrum who are imminently going to go blind but are in denial about it (or are not terribly bothered by the possibility.) Handling these scenarios and all the gray spaces inbetween is one of the more challenging parts of delivering eyecare (and healthcare in general.)

Ultimately, we're aiming for clinical accuracy and scalability first, with an understanding that there are lots of underlying incentives and potential roadblocks that we will tackle head on when the time is right.

Re: Launch HN: Quadrant Eye (YC W21) – Tackling online eye exams and at-home eyecare

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Interesting, I went through it, but then it got to this slide: > look at the image of the circle at the top of the page. And there is no circle whatsoever on that page, so I didn't know if it was a typo, a browser problem... or my eyes went blind!

Hmm, we have actually never gotten that! Can dig into it. What browser/device are you on? We don't support mobile (added this to post!) because the vision charts need to be displayed at a certain size. There's usually a warning that pops up for mobile, but it's earlier in the flow than what we posted to HKN.

I’m on a Mac desktop with Firefox.

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That's our bad! The exam is only built for desktop - we don't allow mobile in the usual flow because the vision charts need to be displayed at a certain height (*will add to our post). I can't seem to replicate the issues you're having on firefox/desktop, it displays normally for me. If you shoot me a screenshot at kristine@quadranteye.com, happy to take a look.

I sent a screenshot to your support chat widget when it happened.

Oh seeing the screenshot now, thank you! It's not meant to be done on mobile - our bad for not including in the post earlier (have added!).

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Hmm, we have actually never gotten that! Can dig into it. What browser/device are you on? We don't support mobile (added this to post!) because the vision charts need to be displayed at a certain size. There's usually a warning that pops up for mobile, but it's earlier in the flow than what we posted to HKN.

I also had no circle, just a red square.

Thank you, really appreciate the detailed feedback! It seems like it is likely the no-script, will look into this soon.

The exam we provided is just a free sample for folks to play with - contact information is collected for paying customers (in a slightly different flow).

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I strongly object to these statements. Dialation may not be necessary every single time for a healthy adult, but it’s good to do occasionally as there are serious diseases that can only realistically be checked by getting a good look at the back of the eye. Puff test can be vision-saving. It takes almost no effort, and is an excellent screen for glaucoma. Glaucoma is irreversible, and catching it early is essential t…

I understand why these statements might seem extreme. A few points here: 1) I don't believe I've stated that dilated eye exams should never be done. One of the biggest reasons remote eyecare is relatively far behind compared to other specialties (remote dermatology, for example) is the need to visualize the retina up to the ora, where a lot of pathology (e.g. retinal holes) can hide. Currently, the only ways to visua…

I'm not an American, but I've had eye tests in both Canada and Israel. Just how expensive are these? In Canada they're free - covered by health care (Glaucoma). Regular eye tests in Canada cost ~$49 (clearly, Queen Street). In Israel they cost 22 NIS, about $6.

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I'm a programmer and was diagnosed glaucoma 3 years ago and I'm 30 now. My doctor prescribed me 2 medicines, tafluprost and carteolol, which cost 130 CNY per month. I see the doctor and do an air puff test once a month. This costs 80 CNY. Doing an OCT once a year requires 500 CNY, and a total of 3000 CNY (approximately 470 USD) per year. Recently, my doctor suggested that I have an operation. It may prevent me from u…

I hesitate to provide medical advice here. But if you are 30 and you have a glaucoma diagnosis, you should really be followed by a glaucoma specialist (vs a comprehensive ophthalmologist or an optometrist.)

Thanks for your kind advice. I'm very serious about my eyes and will do my best to protect it. However my docker is considered as a glaucoma specialist in one of the best hospital in our city..(though she's also treating other eye diseases)

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In the US at least, you can order glasses online as long as you know the prescription. It's contacts that require a 'valid' prescription which only lasts a year and they will only let you buy a 'years' worth of contacts at a time.

The rules around this vary state by state. In states like CA, it's unfortunately illegal to sell glasses/contacts to someone with an expired prescription. More info on buying glasses/contacts: https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/buying-prescription-gl...

That's wild! I'm lucky enough to never having needed glasses, but the country of limited regulation being so captured by the eyewear industry of all things is crazy.

My wife orders hers by dropshipping from possibly China and just enters her measurements from her latest prescription. Is that illegal? Contraband glasses.

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