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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not familiar with data center tools or terminology. What is a tazer in this context?

Sibling comments have answered this correctly, but I like to imagine it was there as a threat to the Compaq visitors, like one might leave a loaded gun in a visible spot to facilitate negotiation.

BOFH and PFY tactics :)

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sibling comments have answered this correctly, but I like to imagine it was there as a threat to the Compaq visitors, like one might leave a loaded gun in a visible spot to facilitate negotiation.

In these parts we threaten to withhold biscuits from meetings. Sometimes we really mean it. Escalating straight to firearms sounds a little bit excessive.

Are you in England?

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I like to think the flood was a cover for some government buying a mind boggling quantity of hard drives. All for some massive spying operation. Obviously I have zero proof or even the tiniest bit of evidence. Just my personal conspiracy theory.

I like to think the flood was a cover for some government buying a mind boggling quantity of hard drives. No, it was a cover for massive flooding that killed more than 800 people and led to most of Thailand being designated as disaster areas.

I see how my wording horrifyingly misrepresented the meaning. I only mean the resulting supply issues. Not the actual flood.

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So why did this drive fail? Has nobody dissected it to figure out exactly which component no longer functioned correctly?

All I have seen is not having rotational vibration sensors. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/seagate-hdd-failure-lawsui... > The Seagate 3 TB models failed at a higher rate than other drives during the Backblaze deployment, but in fairness, the Seagate drives were the only models that did not feature RV (Rotational Vibration) sensors that counteract excessive vibration in heavy usage models -- specifically because S…

Do drives in this type of stationary assembly (i.e. a server rack or a stationary PC) ever trigger their vibration protection? Barring of course during a bit of bumping in the server rack. I mean, these drives are not sitting in laptops. I have a hard time thinking the lack of this feature bears any weight on the huge failure rates Backblaze and discrete customers saw, though I'd accept the argument if there was a 2.5" laptop model of that drive seeing the same failure rate.

Re: ST3000DM001

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I also remember the IBM Deskstar 75GXP, which was so unreliable it earned the nickname "Deathstar".

Don't forget the Quantum Fireball, which didn't even need a nickname.

I had one of those in my Amiga. I remember friends telling dull stories about those drives, but mine ran for 8-12 hours a day, every day, for years. It is a bit flaky today, but it still spins up.

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In 2012 I was working at the Internet Archive. I remember the 2011 Thailand floods restricted the supply of hard disks and pushed up prices. The best deal we could find was buying these Seagate hard disks as external drives at retail from Costco. We picked up a truck load. Then had somebody with a screw driver remove them all from the enclosures and install them in new servers. The error rate was high, the drives did…

The Thailand story was a cover for the NSA buying a huge number of drives for the new data facility in Utah.

First time I hear this but I think timelines match up and at this point I think it is completely believable. (Not saying I'm sure it is actually true, only that it won't surprise me more than if it is untrue.

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In 2012 I was working at the Internet Archive. I remember the 2011 Thailand floods restricted the supply of hard disks and pushed up prices. The best deal we could find was buying these Seagate hard disks as external drives at retail from Costco. We picked up a truck load. Then had somebody with a screw driver remove them all from the enclosures and install them in new servers. The error rate was high, the drives did…

I did precisely this too, as I needed storage for a few thousand hours of video footage I’d shot for a documentary, needed it now, and nobody had anything other than external HDDs in any kind of useful size.

I was really careful - I had two NASes, each with raid 5 volumes holding a full copy of the footage, as it was irreplaceable.

I got up one morning to find a disc had failed in one of them. Swapped it. During the restripe, another failed. Oh well, I have the other NAS, I thought, and after replacing the busted disks and reformatting the failed one, started copying the data over again - and then a disk failed in the backup nas. And then another. And then another in the previously failed one. And that was that. Five disks, all dead, within a day of each other, all the same model. The WD drives in them were all absolutely fine.

I haven’t bought a seagate drive since, and never will again.

Re: ST3000DM001

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Ha, it's one of the few HDDs that have their own Wikipedia pages [0], and even more so, it's one of the only two Seagate drives [1] - the other was the ST506/ST412, Seagate's first product! It just shows how infamous this 3 TB Seagate drive really is. Other HDDs on Wikipedia include: IBM Deskstar (equally infamous), and other historical milestones like the DEC RK05 (classic HDD for PDP-8 and PDP-11). I just hope the…

Had a deathstar before the drives were known to be widely failing.

Decided one day to consolidate my backups from CDR to DVDR. Copied CDRs, deduped the contents and could fit about 15 CDRs worth onto one DVDR. Satisfied, I cut the CDRs and rebooted my system to prepare for a DVD burn.

The drive died on reboot.

Ended up taking a sledgehammer to the drive to get the anger out of my system.

https://i.imgur.com/Di9rQqu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/zxrKyzE.jpg

Remarkably sturdy, that drive base was.

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean at first it sounded like fraud, but then you explained it, and then it really sounded like fraud.

My original thought was they were threatening violence to the tech that came out

That was definitely my read. "Show them the instruments. That will elicit a confession!"
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