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Re: ST3000DM001

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Damn, I have a 12 disk RAID-Z2 with that, almost all of them failed in about 1~2 years, luckily because of Z2, I didn't lose any data. I'll never buy seagate again.

Back in the day I used IBM drives and they were super reliable. Too bad they stopped making hard drives and all the Maxtors, Seagates, Hitachis, and WDs came along with all their crap.

In the early to mid 90's, Maxtor was my go-to hard drive for any build. They went downhill after that, sadly.

Re: ST3000DM001

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post #26
post #9

Damn, I have a 12 disk RAID-Z2 with that, almost all of them failed in about 1~2 years, luckily because of Z2, I didn't lose any data. I'll never buy seagate again.

Back in the day I used IBM drives and they were super reliable. Too bad they stopped making hard drives and all the Maxtors, Seagates, Hitachis, and WDs came along with all their crap.

Hitachi bought the IBM plant. IIRC they just took over the shop as-is

Re: ST3000DM001

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I could have sworn it was a similar 1.5TB drive that most infamous. Ah well.

You're probably thinking of the Barracuda 7200.11's event-log suicide-roulette firmware bug. It was the first time I ever had to update the firmware of a fixed disk, and I remember it being a huge pain since the revised "SD1A" firmware came with a brand new bug and had to immediately updated again: - https://msfn.org/board/topic/128807-the-solution-for-seagate... - https://www.anandtech.com/show/3482 - https://en.wik…

That's what I assumed the article would be about too. Happened just as I started seriously getting into PC building. Haven't trusted Seagate since.

Re: ST3000DM001

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At my previous employer we had a 24 disk zfs storage server built using these disks (thanks to an external consultant who replaced enterprise grade disks because "they're basically the same"). While they were still under warranty we replaced 50% of them and after warranty 100% of them were replaced using another brand.

This model was really bad, but he wasn’t wrong in general - while consumer drives have a higher failure rate, you can’t pretend the enterprise version can’t fail - and if you’ve built your system to withstand failure, whether 2 or 5 fail every year makes little difference if you have competent IT.

I do make an effort to source them from as many different batches as possible, though - based on a DeskStar (“DeathStar”) experience a couple of decades ago. And there have been occasional bad batches for many models.

(The iirc 500MB DeathStar and this 3TB seagate are special in having mostly bad batches)

Re: ST3000DM001

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In 2012 I was working at the Internet Archive. I remember the 2011 Thailand floods restricted the supply of hard disks and pushed up prices. The best deal we could find was buying these Seagate hard disks as external drives at retail from Costco. We picked up a truck load. Then had somebody with a screw driver remove them all from the enclosures and install them in new servers. The error rate was high, the drives did…

The Thailand story was a cover for the NSA buying a huge number of drives for the new data facility in Utah.

Source?

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In 2012 I was working at the Internet Archive. I remember the 2011 Thailand floods restricted the supply of hard disks and pushed up prices. The best deal we could find was buying these Seagate hard disks as external drives at retail from Costco. We picked up a truck load. Then had somebody with a screw driver remove them all from the enclosures and install them in new servers. The error rate was high, the drives did…

Dropbox (or maybe BackBlaze?) called that "shucking".

If you're thinking of the same article as I am, it was indeed Backblaze:

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze_drive_farming/

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In 2012 I was working at the Internet Archive. I remember the 2011 Thailand floods restricted the supply of hard disks and pushed up prices. The best deal we could find was buying these Seagate hard disks as external drives at retail from Costco. We picked up a truck load. Then had somebody with a screw driver remove them all from the enclosures and install them in new servers. The error rate was high, the drives did…

Dropbox (or maybe BackBlaze?) called that "shucking".

That was BackBlaze

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze_drive_farming/

Re: ST3000DM001

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post #19

In 2012 I was working at the Internet Archive. I remember the 2011 Thailand floods restricted the supply of hard disks and pushed up prices. The best deal we could find was buying these Seagate hard disks as external drives at retail from Costco. We picked up a truck load. Then had somebody with a screw driver remove them all from the enclosures and install them in new servers. The error rate was high, the drives did…

The Thailand story was a cover for the NSA buying a huge number of drives for the new data facility in Utah.

Source for this claim? Sounds entirely like unfounded speculation.

(Wikipedia page on the facility in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center)

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