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Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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Deflation is not something desireable in macroeconomics. It incentivizes hoarding cash instead of spending it on productive things (hiring people, capital investments to improve productivity, etc). Slow and steady inflation is a stated goal for most governments and central banks.

Nah. When things are cheap, people will go shopping. When things are expensive, people will save. It's a naturally self-correcting mechanism. Every deviation from the expected deflation would be an opportunity for arbitrage. Also, the deflation isn't guaranteed, so it carries a risk, which disincentivizes hoarding.

There are always some things that are expensive and some that are cheap. It is not a binary mode for many people to be in one or the other.

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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post #53

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Deflation is not something desireable in macroeconomics. It incentivizes hoarding cash instead of spending it on productive things (hiring people, capital investments to improve productivity, etc). Slow and steady inflation is a stated goal for most governments and central banks.

>Slow and steady inflation is a stated goal for most governments and central banks. Because they like controlling their people, keeping them poor, and robbing the value they create. Authoritarianism is tyranny by another name.

Slow and steady inflation in the US has resulted in economic growth leading to some of the highest quality of life increases in the last century. A poor person today nonetheless has a higher quality if life than a poor person 100 years ago.

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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There are several alternatives nowadays, you're being dishonest by only mentioning the most controversial one.

For the sake of argument, what's the absolute best alternative to Tether that you feel could safely be used as an example? Because you quickly resorted to ad hominem attacks even though you failed to provide any alternative or even a single counter example.

I don't know what the absolute best alternative is or how you would define the absolute best, I just know that there are several alternatives. The grandparent knows this as well, hence my post. [0] https://coinmarketcap.com/view/stablecoin/

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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lightning network is a broken mess. It baffles me that so many people still pump resources into after all these years.

Correct, that's why many left and support Bitcoin Cash now.

WTF? Source?

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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Well, it this is really true and going to happen, I am glad. In 2014 I was writing a book on Bitcoin, which I never finished. In the various interviews I did with influential people at the time (Yanis Varoufakis, Rick Falkvinge, Chris Dixon, etc), when offering my view, I used to say that the tipping point would have been a country adopting Bitcoin as currency, and guessing it was going to happen by 2020. I was wrong…

Boy I'd really like to read your Yanis Varoufakis interview. He really had an interesting opinion about Bitcoin.

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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It takes too long, it has significant fees, it can be censored and, as far as I know, requires a bank account, something 70% of the population in El Salvador don't have.

Strike is a fiat custodial wallet. They can also be censored in exactly the same way which is part of my confusion around the offering. In fact, it's not available in New York or Hawaii. Further, Wise offers their multi-currency account, including in El Salvador ( https://wise.com/us/multi-currency-account/ ) and allows you to store any of 56 currencies without conversion and offers banking details in 9 jurisdictions…

I am not well versed about the Strike wallet specifically, but I believe that it is a fiat wallet from the perspective of the sender and a lightning wallet from the perspective of the receiver.

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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The linked article doesn't address the effects of deflationary currency at all, it describes the notion of including capital in the description of economies.

It criticizes the statement by Keynes that savings leads to depression due to underconsumption and thus there must be regularly monetary stimulus, meaning expansion of government borrowing and hence, the money supply. Hayek was a proponent of the gold standard and fixed money supply at this time and the Keynesians promoted fiat money and a flexible money supply and monetary policy.

I'm not familiar with Hayek, so you may need to fill in gaps where I may have them, but the argument in the article (as I understand) specifically establishes the context where savings are presumed invested into capital. How I understand deflationary currency is that investments are not incentivized, and would therefore not lead to the situation as described in the article.

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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True, the basic lines were set in the original development, that is true. Yet, they continue to be followed by this swarm, which is continuous consent; they could all stop and do something else, but every attempt at that has created largely unsuccessful forks. And... do you really believe currency management decisions on the level of the US Federal Reserve or the European Central Bank are in any realistic sense democ…

The US Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank are democratic institutions inasmuch as they have a public mandate and are subject to public scrutiny and control. I'm not aware that anyone disputes these facts.

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Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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If creditors were obligated to accept Bitcoin, does that mean that to be a creditor, you must maintain a Bitcoin address/wallet? Or could you still just say, "Sorry, you still have to pay in USD because we don't have a Bitcoin wallet"?

It's concerning that the government has partnered with one particular startup company with a specific Bitcoin app for this. Depending on how the laws are written, essentially forcing people to use a specific startup's app to transact in the country could be the most egregious example of regulatory capture we've seen in recent history.

You did not do your homework. Read the proposed law before concern trolling.

Nothing mentioned using only Company X or Y.

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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"... only works when there's a stable currency to dump your value into ..." Hence the rise of algorithmic stable coins.

You mean like... Tether?

Tether is the counterexample of what she/he said. Tether is not algorithmic, it's backed by fiat.
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