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Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Why aren't you afraid today? Their gatekeeping is clearly useless.

> Why aren't you afraid today? Their gatekeeping is clearly useless. You're not perfect at anything you do. Does that make you useless? Of course not.

That's why I don't gatekeep anyone.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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The big difference between "Apple's app review process" and "seatbelts and airbags" is that car companies acknowledge the latter are fallible. It's not about adding layers of protection or not; it's about being transparent with your customers about how effective those layers actually are.

I don’t think any one of my less technical friends has any belief that the App Store is infallible or even mostly secure. Apple doesn’t advertise it much, and if they did I’d be happy to call that a mistake.

Just read their copy for the App Store: https://www.apple.com/app-store/

> Because we offer nearly two million apps — and we want you to feel good about using every single one of them.

> Apps must adhere to our guidelines.

> You should never have to worry about inappropriate content.

> Every day, moderators review worldwide App Store charts for quality and accuracy.

All of these are far stronger claims than I would be comfortable making about the current state of the store.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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The worst thing is, people have this belief that Apple is somehow protecting them, so they offload the critical thinking to Apple and lower their own guards. For example, a person thought he was getting a legitimate Bitcoin wallet app, but turns out it was a fake and he lost his life savings [1]. edit: to be clear, I'm not blaming Apple for not stopping these scams, at their scale, it's just practically impossible to…

2% is pretty low compared to random websites (it’s your birthday! Enter your info in this link so we can send you a gift!)

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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I don’t think any one of my less technical friends has any belief that the App Store is infallible or even mostly secure. Apple doesn’t advertise it much, and if they did I’d be happy to call that a mistake.

Just read their copy for the App Store: https://www.apple.com/app-store/ > Because we offer nearly two million apps — and we want you to feel good about using every single one of them. > Apps must adhere to our guidelines. > You should never have to worry about inappropriate content. > Every day, moderators review worldwide App Store charts for quality and accuracy. All of these are far stronger claims than I would b…

Disagree, they seem very reasonable. But also no one is reading those terms really, they aren’t being pushed in ads or shown at the store.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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The worst thing is, people have this belief that Apple is somehow protecting them, so they offload the critical thinking to Apple and lower their own guards. For example, a person thought he was getting a legitimate Bitcoin wallet app, but turns out it was a fake and he lost his life savings [1]. edit: to be clear, I'm not blaming Apple for not stopping these scams, at their scale, it's just practically impossible to…

> I'm not blaming Apple for not stopping these scams Why not? You should blame them. They have positioned themselves as the gatekeepers. Why? To extract profit from application developers. However, such a powerful position also comes with expectations and responsibilities. They should absolutely not be allowed to get away with gross negligence. We absolutely must blame them every single time they fail to keep malicio…

> Why not? You should blame them.

I also think it's easy to forget just how much Apple could spend on this if they actually cared

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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The worst thing is, people have this belief that Apple is somehow protecting them, so they offload the critical thinking to Apple and lower their own guards. For example, a person thought he was getting a legitimate Bitcoin wallet app, but turns out it was a fake and he lost his life savings [1]. edit: to be clear, I'm not blaming Apple for not stopping these scams, at their scale, it's just practically impossible to…

2% is pretty low compared to random websites (it’s your birthday! Enter your info in this link so we can send you a gift!)

Most people don't browse random websites

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Even in this most generous possible explanation, Apple removed a quality-control check and didn't replace it with anything.

My point is that you don't know that they didn't replace it with anything.

I don't see a replacement where I can tell them about scam apps, though.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Just read their copy for the App Store: https://www.apple.com/app-store/ > Because we offer nearly two million apps — and we want you to feel good about using every single one of them. > Apps must adhere to our guidelines. > You should never have to worry about inappropriate content. > Every day, moderators review worldwide App Store charts for quality and accuracy. All of these are far stronger claims than I would b…

Disagree, they seem very reasonable. But also no one is reading those terms really, they aren’t being pushed in ads or shown at the store.

Do you have any ties to Apple?

That is the most ridiculous implication.

'We did not expect anyone to read the terms of the product, so we shouldn't have to deliver on what we promised.'

That is not resonable.

Apple is using weezle-words like "should" which gives them wiggle room, but I guess it will be up to a court to decide.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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The worst thing is, people have this belief that Apple is somehow protecting them, so they offload the critical thinking to Apple and lower their own guards. For example, a person thought he was getting a legitimate Bitcoin wallet app, but turns out it was a fake and he lost his life savings [1]. edit: to be clear, I'm not blaming Apple for not stopping these scams, at their scale, it's just practically impossible to…

And as the article points out, Apple’s marketing coupled with fake ratings and reviews that plague the App Store can “create the perception for the public that they are safe downloading an app or buying a product and engaging in content that other people have found valuable ” (emphasis mine)

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Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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So there's this "Wrong Button!"[0] in the app store that just plays a "Wrong" sound clip when you click it. And also it has 5 different ads on the screen, an unskippable ad on opening the app that forces open Safari to view another ad, and a "Share" function presumably so they can bombard your friends with ads too. Now I thought this was crappy, and I wanted the "Wrong" sound clip as said by Trump, so last week for f…

That sounds like it really should be a web page.

Web pages require an Internet connection to access, an app doesn't.
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