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Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public

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Why not simply reword the question to ask whether you prefer to be referred to as a "he" or "she"? In the rare case that it doesn't align with your genetic or anatomic gender, it's not exactly the end of the world.

At first glance at your comment I said "how would that help". Then I thought about it a second time, and I think this is actually a legitimate way to approach the problem of gender identification. So +1 for me.

Wonder what others think

Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public

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Guys, lets not get carried away by the issue here.

The issue is NOT about gender identification. It is Google+ not providing the ability to hide your gender on your profile (I won't say they're FORCING you to post your gender).

The issue of Gender Identification is merely an example provided to justify the usage of such a feature. So let's avoid a massive gender debate here, when you can read all about it in the post itself.

Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public

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post #8

I'm not sure why Google is getting a free pass on the public profiles requirement. Every other social network I've used has an option to block search engines from indexing your profile.

It just ensures that I don't put much of use in my profile.

Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public

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post #9

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it correct to say that there are two genders , but not that there are two sexes ? Since gender is only a social construct, presumably the prevailing views of the society in question are what defines it?

Not really. Who gets to decide what the prevailing views of the society are? For that matter, which society? A non-binary construction of gender is not limited to post-industrial cities in the United States.

Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public

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This seems like a really pointlessly long rant that boils down to a feature request: Change the "other" category to "other/not-disclosed".

Also do these women who don't want to disclose their gender really need Randall Munroe to file the bug report for them?

Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public

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post #2

He's written about gender very well before.[1] It is certainly a subject that I don't know very much about, but I appreciate that it can get very complicated very quickly. What are the good reasons for requiring it to be public? Secondly, do you think that "other" is enough? To what lengths should developers go to handle rare corner cases? [1]: http://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/06/sex-and-gender/

I vote for the text field option.

Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public

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I don't get this trend at all. Something is wrong with priorities and perceived risk vs. real risk. It's pretty difficult to assault someone physically over the internet (http://bash.org/?4281). On the other hand, woman broadcasts her gender when in public. Will x years from now we all be walking in some kind of uniform enclosures as to protect from anyone knowing if one is male or female?

Also, in some languages name is very clear indication of the gender. And even some ambiguous nickname won't help, because in some languages you usage of verbs, adjectives etc. differs depending on gender.

Recently I saw a story about some kindergarden in Sweden where kids were not allowed to say "he" or "she" when talking about person but rather had to use something equivalent to "it" (I don't think English has equivalent to that, Russian language has "оно" for neuter nouns). To me it looks extremely stupid. But I guess it is easier just to ignore our differences than teach to cherish them and respect the other side.

Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public

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post #2

He's written about gender very well before.[1] It is certainly a subject that I don't know very much about, but I appreciate that it can get very complicated very quickly. What are the good reasons for requiring it to be public? Secondly, do you think that "other" is enough? To what lengths should developers go to handle rare corner cases? [1]: http://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/06/sex-and-gender/

Male, female, other, and leave blank / prefer not to disclose are all the options I would list. It's important to allow women and men who do not want to disclose their gender that option. It's also important to allow people who would like to list their gender as other to do so. Gender is an extremely tricky issue. Whatever you do, I recommend NOT listing "male to female" or anything of that sort. Transgendered people…

these pages aren't your "identity", hasn't years of facebook abuse taught people anything? these pages exist to tune an ad matching algorithm. hel-lo, this is what google does even better than facebook. your freedom to expand or contract your profile will be consistent with google's ad targeting agenda. people who want a free-form digital identity should get their own domain and move on. i know we're in a honeymoon here where google can do no wrong, but randall is just showing himself up here as a second rate thinker...the real answer to owning your identity is to not equate it with a database row

Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public

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post #12

Guys, lets not get carried away by the issue here. The issue is NOT about gender identification. It is Google+ not providing the ability to hide your gender on your profile (I won't say they're FORCING you to post your gender). The issue of Gender Identification is merely an example provided to justify the usage of such a feature. So let's avoid a massive gender debate here, when you can read all about it in the post…

Mandatory labeling of race, religion, and, yes, gender is rarely wise...

Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public

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post #12

Guys, lets not get carried away by the issue here. The issue is NOT about gender identification. It is Google+ not providing the ability to hide your gender on your profile (I won't say they're FORCING you to post your gender). The issue of Gender Identification is merely an example provided to justify the usage of such a feature. So let's avoid a massive gender debate here, when you can read all about it in the post…

Mandatory labeling of race, religion, and, yes, gender is rarely wise...

And that's a separate issue to what Randall is raising.
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