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Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Would the number of scams in the top 1000 be higher than 2% if the App Store was not tightly controlled? It doesn't follow that, since some bad things have gotten past the gatekeeper, we should get rid of the gatekeeper.

The number of scams and fakes on the Google Play store is off the charts.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

#12

Would the number of scams in the top 1000 be higher than 2% if the App Store was not tightly controlled? It doesn't follow that, since some bad things have gotten past the gatekeeper, we should get rid of the gatekeeper.

The number of scams and fakes on the Google Play store is off the charts.

Do you have any numbers to back up that claim?

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

#13

Would the number of scams in the top 1000 be higher than 2% if the App Store was not tightly controlled? It doesn't follow that, since some bad things have gotten past the gatekeeper, we should get rid of the gatekeeper.

That’s unclear. A couple of things to consider, both of which are helping scammers currently:

- A lot of users let their guard down because they blindly trust Apple’s marketing, and scammers take advantage of that.

- The fake ratings and reviews are making this even worse by leading people to believe other people have found some of these scams valuable.

I can see how a more trustworthy ratings system and a more honest marketing of the App Store for what it really is, could lead to fewer scams, even if Apple doesn’t control the App Review process so tightly - or doesn’t control it all.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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post #8

I'm boggled that Apple lets apps charge a weekly amount for features that have no appearance of new content each week, like a newspaper or magazine would. This seems like the simplest thing to fix right away.

I'm boggled that the US government lets Apple rake in 30% for commerce on the app store, despite it being only one of two games in town for commerce. It'd be like only having two options for cars (Ford and Tesla), and forcing restaurants, stores, etc. to pay 30% of their gross revenue to Tesla for their having brought you. It's truly bizarro world. Make no pretense. This isn't about protecting consumers, this is abou…

Don't derail. There are other threads about Apple's store and their vig.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Would the number of scams in the top 1000 be higher than 2% if the App Store was not tightly controlled? It doesn't follow that, since some bad things have gotten past the gatekeeper, we should get rid of the gatekeeper.

It's called government regulation, with true actionable penalties for not enforcing legal mandates. The laws should be enforceable even for open-source type App Stores, and operations that cannot follow the laws should not be available in those countries. Countries must have control over their territories, regardless of whether it is in the physical or virtual world.

If you "created" the equivalent in real life, in a 3D physical, brick-and-mortar sense, the law would generally be strictly enforced, and you would be able to get away with far less. That is, unless you are FAANG, which lobbies the US government--and other governments around the world for laws that give them an extremely huge "competitive advantage" over startups and mom-and-pop type establishments, along with allowing them to be "in compliance" but not adhering to the actual "spirit of the law". The actual spirit of the law is what the purpose of the law is in the first place. It is about affording people inherent rights.

The European Union has halfway decent laws on paper at best, that are extremely poorly enforced. Also, FAANG always finds a way to evade a penalty, anywhere in the world. The EU needs to step up its game, and I think they will, but of course, it will never be quite enough.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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The worst thing is, people have this belief that Apple is somehow protecting them, so they offload the critical thinking to Apple and lower their own guards. For example, a person thought he was getting a legitimate Bitcoin wallet app, but turns out it was a fake and he lost his life savings [1]. edit: to be clear, I'm not blaming Apple for not stopping these scams, at their scale, it's just practically impossible to…

Unfortunately, the Apple army will be ready to downvote you. In my experience, they will not hear anything negative about Apple, even if it's true.

Disclaimer: I think Apple's products are beautiful, simple and well engineered, but they are able to feed some total BS to their fans, who just accept it at face value and regurgitate it everywhere, and that's annoying.

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

#17

Would the number of scams in the top 1000 be higher than 2% if the App Store was not tightly controlled? It doesn't follow that, since some bad things have gotten past the gatekeeper, we should get rid of the gatekeeper.

The number of scams and fakes on the Google Play store is off the charts.

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Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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post #2

The worst thing is, people have this belief that Apple is somehow protecting them, so they offload the critical thinking to Apple and lower their own guards. For example, a person thought he was getting a legitimate Bitcoin wallet app, but turns out it was a fake and he lost his life savings [1]. edit: to be clear, I'm not blaming Apple for not stopping these scams, at their scale, it's just practically impossible to…

Why not blame Trezor for allowing a fake app to steal money from his hardware wallet? Did he buy the wallet thinking it would make scams impossible?

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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post #2

The worst thing is, people have this belief that Apple is somehow protecting them, so they offload the critical thinking to Apple and lower their own guards. For example, a person thought he was getting a legitimate Bitcoin wallet app, but turns out it was a fake and he lost his life savings [1]. edit: to be clear, I'm not blaming Apple for not stopping these scams, at their scale, it's just practically impossible to…

Why not blame Trezor for allowing a fake app to steal money from his hardware wallet? Did he buy the wallet thinking it would make scams impossible?

Because Trezor doesn't control the iOS app store?

Re: Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

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Would the number of scams in the top 1000 be higher than 2% if the App Store was not tightly controlled? It doesn't follow that, since some bad things have gotten past the gatekeeper, we should get rid of the gatekeeper.

It's called government regulation, with true actionable penalties for not enforcing legal mandates. The laws should be enforceable even for open-source type App Stores, and operations that cannot follow the laws should not be available in those countries. Countries must have control over their territories, regardless of whether it is in the physical or virtual world. If you "created" the equivalent in real life, in a…

Could you clarify what kinds of regulations you would like to see? I can't tell what your proposal is from this comment.
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