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Modern cities modelled as “super-cells” rather than multicellular organisms

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Re: Modern cities modelled as “super-cells” rather than multicellular organisms

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Modeling cities as 'cellular' is a common mistake, well explored in A City is not a Tree by Christopher Alexander.

http://en.bp.ntu.edu.tw/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/06-Alexan...

tl;dr we tend to talk about cities in heirarchical, enclosed terms, as having "limits", "neighborhoods", "blocks", "plots", and so on. This can be modeled as a tree, in the maths and computer science sense.

But it's more accurate to model these systems as semilattices. Thus a city isn't multicellular (the cells being the enclosed units of the tree model) nor super-cells (which sort of punts on the internal structure, while still enclosing the city in a sort of membrane which even a walled city doesn't resemble), but a thing distinctly itself.

Re: Modern cities modelled as “super-cells” rather than multicellular organisms

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Tokyo is an example of a "multicellural" city, with its Special Wards each functioning as a separate city with only some services shared among them. The wards each have a population of a few hundred thousand people, and some take top spots in the list of biggest cities in Japan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Japan The city has been run like this for decades, and it seems to work out for Tokyo pret…

New York's boroughs are another fine example.

Arguably the Bay Area is something similar, and I would further argue would be much better off if it were closer in governance and self-concept to Tokyo or New York than it is in fact.

Re: Modern cities modelled as “super-cells” rather than multicellular organisms

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Modeling cities as 'cellular' is a common mistake, well explored in A City is not a Tree by Christopher Alexander. http://en.bp.ntu.edu.tw/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/06-Alexan... tl;dr we tend to talk about cities in heirarchical, enclosed terms, as having "limits", "neighborhoods", "blocks", "plots", and so on. This can be modeled as a tree, in the maths and computer science sense. But it's more accurate to model th…

> But it's more accurate to model these systems as semilattices.

That's the first time I've seen order theory used to describe hierarchical structures like a city. Continuing the analogy, what would the join of a nonempty finite subset of parts of a city be? Say the set was an apartment block, road and grocery store, would the join of all these concepts be the "local neighborhood" that makes up part of a town?

Re: Modern cities modelled as “super-cells” rather than multicellular organisms

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okay dr dshiv, what about cytoskeletons, microtubules, filaments, and their associated proteins such as dynein? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intracellular_transport

I love intracellular transport videos like this. I want to see them set to Philip Glass: https://youtu.be/5dVIAISw68U https://youtu.be/6aMq6dZkMyQ

Next best thing, animated DNA : https://youtu.be/7Hk9jct2ozY

Re: Modern cities modelled as “super-cells” rather than multicellular organisms

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Tokyo is an example of a "multicellural" city, with its Special Wards each functioning as a separate city with only some services shared among them. The wards each have a population of a few hundred thousand people, and some take top spots in the list of biggest cities in Japan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Japan The city has been run like this for decades, and it seems to work out for Tokyo pret…

New York's boroughs are another fine example. Arguably the Bay Area is something similar, and I would further argue would be much better off if it were closer in governance and self-concept to Tokyo or New York than it is in fact.

New York’s boroughs aren’t that decentralized, Manhattan is clearly the center with almost a quarter of metro area jobs and certainly not anywhere near a quarter of the metro’s population.

Fun fact: Manhattan contains both the largest and fourth largest business districts in the US, Midtown and Downtown respectively.

Re: Modern cities modelled as “super-cells” rather than multicellular organisms

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I love intracellular transport videos like this. I want to see them set to Philip Glass: https://youtu.be/5dVIAISw68U https://youtu.be/6aMq6dZkMyQ

Next best thing, animated DNA : https://youtu.be/7Hk9jct2ozY

I have no words. This is fascinating. This conveys how mind blowing complex our body is better than anything I've seen before.

Re: Modern cities modelled as “super-cells” rather than multicellular organisms

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Modeling cities as 'cellular' is a common mistake, well explored in A City is not a Tree by Christopher Alexander. http://en.bp.ntu.edu.tw/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/06-Alexan... tl;dr we tend to talk about cities in heirarchical, enclosed terms, as having "limits", "neighborhoods", "blocks", "plots", and so on. This can be modeled as a tree, in the maths and computer science sense. But it's more accurate to model th…

> we tend to talk about cities in heirarchical, enclosed terms, as having "limits",

Which is funny in a way, because people involved in the city-making business (for lack of a better term) have tried to do just that (i.e. imposing city limits) for centuries (at least).

The medieval city walls are a prime example of that, with anything that stood behind the walls treated as being part of the city and everything that was outside the walls seen as non-city, with non-city dwellers many times being required not to spend the night inside the city walls.

More recently, just the other day I was reading a transcript from a Romanian Communist party meeting from the late 1980s where the Romanian dictator Ceausescu (I'm Romanian and live in Romania myself) was complaining that cities have been let to grow indefinitely and with impunity, without respecting the city limits that had been set in law.

So you've got a late 20th communist dictator and Middle-Age burghers all trying to delay what I personally see as inevitable, i.e. the extension of the city by all means possible.

A little OT, but imo slightly related to this, there was a urban theory that was regarding as "proper" cities only those places with clear limits, for example the European Middle-Age towns, while the places with no clear limits set (many of those places located in the present Middle-Eastern Countries or in Northern Africa) were most of the times seen as "bigger villages", not as proper cities/towns. That was kind of a orientalistic/colonizing way of looking at things which I think stood behind the late 19th-most of the 20th century effort to make those Middle-Eastern cities look like their Western counter-parts, i.e. with clear limits set and with a clearer and more easily readable road structure.

Re: Modern cities modelled as “super-cells” rather than multicellular organisms

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Modeling cities as 'cellular' is a common mistake, well explored in A City is not a Tree by Christopher Alexander. http://en.bp.ntu.edu.tw/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/06-Alexan... tl;dr we tend to talk about cities in heirarchical, enclosed terms, as having "limits", "neighborhoods", "blocks", "plots", and so on. This can be modeled as a tree, in the maths and computer science sense. But it's more accurate to model th…

A semi-lattice structure does not preclude cells. The human body is not a tree.

For those interested in mathematical approaches to architecture and spatial systems I recommend the research work and books of James Hillier and Julienne Hanson:

Social Logic of Space, Hillier & Hanson https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/social-logic-of-space/6...

Re: Modern cities modelled as “super-cells” rather than multicellular organisms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love intracellular transport videos like this. I want to see them set to Philip Glass: https://youtu.be/5dVIAISw68U https://youtu.be/6aMq6dZkMyQ

Next best thing, animated DNA : https://youtu.be/7Hk9jct2ozY

Reminds me of the game Factorio, but in 3D instead of 2, and under water.
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