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El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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USD requires either a bank account or physical cash. This just needs a network connected device.

In practice, what potion of people store and manage their own wallet on their own hardware? Isn’t that usage pattern extremely rare? If so, what’s the difference between having a bank account and a Coinbase (or other exchange) account?

well according to this https://www.statista.com/statistics/1011424/el-salvador-bank... only 30% of adults have a bank account to begin with. Probably a lot easier to setup a bitcoin wallet

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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Yeah but imagine if you bought a beer for $4 and then next week the beer was actually worth $8 and the next it was worth $7 and then a few months later the beer was worth $50. The whole point of fiat is that it is stable and so you aren't fucking yourself by exchanging it for consumables.

Why does it matter how many dollars the beer is worth? It is worth the same number of bitcoins yesterday, today, and tomorrow. That's the only stability that is relevant.

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Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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A deflationary coin cannot stabilize without destabilizing the economy that trades in it. https://benoitessiambre.com/specter.html

That argument isn't true. Deflationary currency can destabilize governments, not the economy. Econonomies fail because they're run by incompetent governments, who spend more than they can afford. Bitcoin is not guaranteed to be deflationary. It's deflationary when the economy is growing. It's inflationary when the economy is shrinking. Deflation will slow down economy, and inflation will accelerate economy. It's a st…

Does making governments less stable really not make economies less stable?

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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That’s fine as long as my job is willing to pay me in a constant amount of bitcoin and everything else I need to buy can be bought with bitcoin. If my salary is still in dollars, then what I can purchase for a day’s wages will vary hugely.

Presumably, in El Salvador, salaries would be denominated in BTC. That's the only thing that'd make any sense. (And, barring external regulatory force, it's very likely to be what a free job market where employees mostly spend BTC would move to doing.)

Imports and exports are not priced in BTC though, in the same way that there aren't really imports or exports priced in gold.

Given the massive volatility of BTC it presents a massive opportunity for arbitrage that mostly has downsides for consumers who want stable supplies of goods.

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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To add on to that, it's been used pretty nicely in the El Zonte beach town [1]. 1: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tatianakoffman/2020/07/14/this-...

According to the article, someone donated "six-figure" amounts of Bitcoin to the town each year on the condition that they learn how to use Bitcoin: > Beneficiaries of the digital currency had to learn how to use the Bitcoin itself, creating a Bitcoin economy. If you give a relatively poor town the option to take free money as long as they learn how to use Bitcoin, of course they're going to learn how to use Bitcoin.…

The payment system mentioned in the Fine Article is built on top of Bitcoin, using Lightning Network.

There's nothing stopping them from putting various consumer protections and rewards programs on top of that, and plenty of motive to do so.

It's definitely a wait-and-see sort of thing, but I don't see as to how betting against it is the obvious move.

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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America extorts other nations by virtue of the $US being the world's dominant reserve currency. The federal reserve can print money unimpeded, with foreigners bearing the brunt of inflation. The math is simple.

Foreigners only bare the brunt of the inflation if they own USD denominated debt or other fixed income assets. Americans suffer if the dollar inflates because imports get more expensive and rates demanded on USD debt purchased by foreigners will go up, making the loans more expensive in America.

Oh word?

What currency does El Salvador use now? My hint: it's not called the peso.

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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Why does it matter how many dollars the beer is worth? It is worth the same number of bitcoins yesterday, today, and tomorrow. That's the only stability that is relevant.

That’s fine as long as my job is willing to pay me in a constant amount of bitcoin and everything else I need to buy can be bought with bitcoin. If my salary is still in dollars, then what I can purchase for a day’s wages will vary hugely.

> That’s fine as long as my job is willing to pay me in a constant amount of bitcoin and everything else I need to buy can be bought with bitcoin.

It also requires the goods and services you buy to be traded in dollars. If stores buy food, gas, etc. wholesale in dollars, for example, and sells it to you for bitcoin, there's going to be a problem.

Re: El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender

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they would be forced to accept it, however they would likely instantly convert it to a more stable currency at the time of payment through some processor. there will likely be a small fee to them for the conversion of Bitcoin to say, USD, but I imagine it would be similar to accepting credit cards for payment? and so it would be worked into the prices.

This isn't inherent in the definition of legal tender, for example large denomination paper notes (100/200/500 euro) are often rejected for fraud risk despite being legal tender, and the latter two ceased printing because legal vendors so rarely accepted them meant that illegal activity was a high proportion of their use.

The keyword is “debt repayment”. You don’t owe a vendor money until you purchase a product. They are fully within their rights to refuse to sell you a product for any reason, including how you wish to pay for it. On the other hand, a bank cannot refuse a loan repayment because it is made in 500 euro bills.
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