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Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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My last girlfriend picked me up in San Diego and we drove 6 hours to Tucson after we had been apart for about a month. During the drive with her two dogs she told me while I was away there was an incident where her dog mauled a smaller dog and then bit the owner's face when she bent over to rescue her small dog. Her take away was pride as she was smart enough to just run off with her dog implying an idiot like me wou…

Don't know about the US, but in my jurisdiction, the dog would be killed by the police if it could be proved that it had bitten a human. There's very few exceptions to these rulings.

>the dog would be killed by the police if it could be proved that it had bitten a human

and here lies the main issue - the dog gets punished for what is mainly the owner's fault (it is somewhat similar to destroying the gun in case of killing while letting the killer go free). I'm generally against corporal punishment, and this is one of the few exceptions where i think corporal punishment would be very useful - any damage inflicted by your dog as a result of your gross negligence should be inflicted as a punishment on you.

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No one decided that. It feels good to divide the world into good guys and bad guys, but if that’s your mental model of history and older people (like me) you are going to make mistaken judgments over and over again.

What? Of course humans have decided to harm the environment. It happens every day and has happened for as long as humans have existed. I don't think his comment "divides the world into good guys and bad guys" -- it merely points out an abundantly obvious truth. Clear-cutting, overfishing, fossil fuel extraction, emissions, etc didn't just happen on their own -- they all required a human decision. Whether or not human…

We've exploited nature to bootstrap us into the information age we currently exist in. I don't condemn the efforts past humans have made so I can live in a world with instant fresh water to wash myself and to drink, markets with food, sewer systems to manage waste, roads, electricity, medicine, etc.

We now have the tools humans have been dreaming of for millennia to make the world a better place. I personally think instead of looking backwards and blaming people for making mistakes, we should use the tools to look forward to accomplish the goals of the future; Human health, environmental health, agricultural sustainability, peace.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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My last girlfriend picked me up in San Diego and we drove 6 hours to Tucson after we had been apart for about a month. During the drive with her two dogs she told me while I was away there was an incident where her dog mauled a smaller dog and then bit the owner's face when she bent over to rescue her small dog. Her take away was pride as she was smart enough to just run off with her dog implying an idiot like me wou…

As a side note: Do not ever go into between two dogs fighting, even if both dogs know you and are normally super team. It's not just a risk for you but can also make the dogs involved more aggressive. Furthermore most dogs (which do not have mental issues or are badly wrongly trained) normally won't kill or majorly injure the other dog but mainly make it submit. But if you step in thinks can still escalate. Lastly th…

when it comes to dogs there are a lot of misinformation and contradictory unverified advises floating around

>normally won't kill or majorly injure the other dog but mainly make it submit

some are doing it by biting and sinking their teeth deep into the back of the neck of the victim. So it does make sense to step in before that happens, as well as to step in to stop that when that is already going on (i've met owners who had that happen to their dogs, and couple times i stepped in right before that was going to happen to my dog)

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As someone in their 20s I’ve already come to terms with just how much wildlife I’ll never be able to see because previous generations decided to absolutely destroy the planet.

As someone in their 20's you are also likely lamenting the lack of affordable housing. One way to address it is to build more housing which which disrupts wildlife. Without affordable housing you might delay having children and getting married like I did. Wait too long and you might never be able to see your children or grandchildren because you won't have them. Reframing it that way might reduce resentment and ameli…

You're human, and part of the problem. Let's not pretend you don't benefit from that destruction (unless you are living in the wilderness).

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If I were to poop in someone's front yard, I might go to jail. Yet, people constantly encourage human-sized pooping in my front yard -- every single day -- without any consequence at all. Why do dogs get away with behaviour that would be blatantly offensive if done by a person?

At least where I live, it is a bylaw offense to not scoop after pooping. Not that it ever can be enforced, unless you happen to have your doggy do its business on the bylaw officer's front lawn, but it's a bylaw nonetheless.

Just to verify--I am not taking a stance on this and I could see going either way--the idea is then that I can poop on your front yard as long as I "scoop"?

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Given the response, it’s obviously not.

Given what response? It was my point.

The dozen or so mistakenly angry replies and downvotes. If that is your point, it isn’t at all obvious from your comment.

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My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it.

A little dog once nipped my 90 year old grandpa in his porch. My grandpa responded with a swift kidney blow from his cane. The owner looked furious but caught me staring him in the eye in time to recompose himself and get off of our front yard. The bloody nerve. You have your dog take its daily piss on our wall - a wall that my grandma cleans, btw. The dog takes its daily piss and my grandpa decides to ignore it, but…

Had you or your grandparents thought about maybe first asking the owner to keep the dog off the property? Maybe conveying to the owner that your grandmother has been cleaning the wall and (I'm assuming) you and your family aren't a fan of dogs.

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people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

Many are often also surprised that their off-leash little companion suddenly wants chase me and go for my ankle as I bicycle past. I've had a couple narrow misses by sprinting away but as I age I'm becoming more willing to properly repel an attack. PSA: Please keep your dog away from cyclists.

There is perhaps worse than off-leash: on a bloody 16 feet retractable leash, with the dog on one side of the road, and the owner on the other side... So called "retractable", because you cannot pull anything.

A friend suffered a bicycle crash and killed a dog like that. I can see from my place all the time the same situation waiting to happen, with women busy chatting on one side, and not caring at all about where the dog goes. When I had to walk the dog of a former girlfriend on a road/street side, I always took the short, fixed leash, and in places where room was scarce, I even kept my second hand further on the leash to be able to shorten it quickly if needed.

Just a couple of days ago, a bit different situations. I was cycling uphill on a small road, and there was a woman (it's almost always a woman, in fact) with a dog at her feet on the right of the road. I prepared to move a bit to the left to give them space while taking over. But the dog started coming to me (not aggressively), and the woman let the leash unroll, and unroll, and unroll. She never stopped it, but started yelling: not at the dog to call it back (which has a dubious success rate in general but shows a little bit of conscience at least), but at me! She was telling me to slow down, that I was crazy and dangerous. I said it was uphill, and I suck at climbing, so I was cycling at the ridiculous speed of 5 mph (yes, five)... And I was now on the opposite side of the road. It's a very bad idea to yell at me, it makes me completely snap, so the result was not what she expected.

Coming back to off-leash, I was bitten in the calf while riding last year by two dogs (so far dogs had only gone for my trousers, but this time they went through the trouser, through the sock, and through the skin). The owner was standing 10 yards away, he didn't do or say anything. He didn't give a damn. In the little "discussion" had with the cretin, he kept claiming his dogs do not bite... while they were biting and pulling my trouser again... At no point he tried to regain control of his dogs. As it should be done, I reported it to the Mayor, who MUST take measures: here, there is no immediate death penalty for such behaviour, but the Mayor MUST make sure the dog should first be sent to a vet for behavioural examination. She didn't do anything.

At my place, there are plenty of dogs loose all day long. The (French) law is lax, but even the few restrictions are never enforced. They shit and dig holes in people's open gardens, they occasionally attack and sometimes kill other people's pets (dogs and cats). Then you have shepherds dogs, who attack cyclists and occasionally pedestrians, even on public roads (and it's not a matter of protection, these bastards generally attack people in the back, after they have passed by); often farmers' dogs haven't been trained at all, or in the case of livestock farmers only trained to one purpose and the relation with humans was not part of it. When I was living in another country, dogs were never loose: either in a fenced yard, or on a leash ; whether they were pet dogs, shepherds dogs, sledge dogs or whatever type of dog and dog owner you may imagine. But over here people will tell you this is impossible. Gee...

There are plenty of dogs these days. Cats are even worse, it is a proliferation (their number was multiplied by 2 or 3 in a few decades, IIRC), and due to their nature, they are even less kept under control. Luckily, they are also less a danger to humans, but they are worse about gardens, because contrarily to dogs, they ignore fences :-)

It's like everyone wants to own a pet for the fun side, but the negative externalities are for others to undergo. Of course I don't do justice to the owners who care and pay attention, they do exist :-) but of course the others are more noticeable.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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> As you noted it’s a tragedy of the commons—-because unquestioned individual freedom is prized so heavily in USA, some dog owners take advantage of it without appropriate precaution, and those people tend to do things like call the police on black people This passage doesn't make sense. It's a word salad.

Blame the Saturday cannabis.

Happens to me even when I’m not under the influence
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