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Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by kodah »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #129
fnord77 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it.

Thankfully this is a felony in at least some states now.

> My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it.

Not a threatening dog, just a fucking dog walking up to somebody. This is a disgusting line of thought that anyone would take a life purely based on an animal approaching you.

It makes me question my involvement in a community where people are so unhinged they think taking out a gun and shooting someone's random dog is appropriate. How far we've come from To Kill a Mockingbird is astounding.

I think I am done with this place. What a disappointing thread.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by EB66 »

bradleyjg wrote: post #122
EB66 wrote: post #96

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What? Of course humans have decided to harm the environment. It happens every day and has happened for as long as humans have existed. I don't think his comment "divides the world into good guys and bad guys" -- it merely points out an abundantly obvious truth. Clear-cutting, overfishing, fossil fuel extraction, emissions, etc didn't just happen on their own -- they all required a human decision. Whether or not human…

Let’s play this out a little bit: I point out that your generation is also destroying the planet. You acknowledge that—-taking the position that we all are sinners to a greater or lesser extent. However, since the contemporary Western religion is Protestantism without a Christ, you don’t even have any salvation to offer. Just endless flagellation of self and others over our sinful natures. We should all do good works…

> I point out that your generation is also destroying the planet.

No, not quite. You stated "no one decided [to harm the environment]". My reply sought to explain how that is incorrect.

> You acknowledge that—-taking the position that we all are sinners to a greater or lesser extent.

Again, not quite. "We are all sinners" is very different from 'humans have made decisions to harm the environment for a long time'. Those two are different.

> However, since the contemporary Western religion is Protestantism without a Christ, you don’t even have any salvation to offer. Just endless flagellation of self and others over our sinful natures. We should all do good works, of course, but we are bound to fail. O fortuna!

Wow, where to begin...

> you don’t even have any salvation to offer.

I'm advocating a very simple proposition: preserving the environment. Whether you want to liken it to "salvation" is entirely up to you.

> We should all do good works, of course, but we are bound to fail.

What an awful assertion. I'd hardly agree that environmental protection and preservation is a lost cause.

> Why not instead of hating humanity

Again, false. I do not "hate" humanity.

> spending your life impotently shaking your fist at our collective imperfections,

I could be wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that because something is difficult and that the result might not be unachievable, that it's therefore not worth trying. Again, I completely disagree.

> look for systemic solutions that are compatible with human nature?

Absolutely! There are an innumerable number of ways that we can protect and preserve the environment. In this thread, I'm contributing in a tiny way by dispelling the notion that "no one decided [to harm the environment]". As I stated above: If we ever want to turn the tide on global environmental destruction, then it is imperative that we as a society not diminish individual responsibility for the impact of one's decisions and actions.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

#133

Post by csense »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #129
fnord77 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it.

Can you legally shoot someone who pulls a gun on your dog?

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

#134

Post by wila »

diggan wrote: post #31
blamazon wrote: post #27

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> How is it inconsiderate if the dogs themselves are behaving? This is the problem right here. We have no idea whether your dogs are properly trained or not. There is no certification or regulation for having a dog off leash. We have no idea if they’re going to suddenly snap and, in the worst case scenario, viciously attack a baby, something they are biologically quite capable of. It is probably different in collecti…

> We have no idea whether your dogs are properly trained or not I think the assumption is, at least from mine and others like me, is that if your dog is off-leash, you can handle your dog off-leash. The same if you bring friends to some social event, you wouldn't bring them if you can't handle them and they can behave in public. I'm not afraid they are gonna attack me, although sometimes humans do attack other humans…

Just a few seconds of not paying attention are enough when a dog gets excited.

I walk a cat -on a leash- and dogs without a leash are a real problem to be on the lookout for at all times.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

#135

Post by finiteseries »

globular-toast wrote: post #128
acomjean wrote: post #45

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I live near a wildlife refuge. They allowed dogs on leash for many years. But fewer and fewer complied. About 5 years ago after trying all sorts of signage they banned dogs altogether. I feel bad for the small minority of dog owners who complied and kept their dogs on-leash

What's the point of walking a dog on a leash, though? Dogs need to stretch their legs. They're supposed to run around. The underlying problem is people taking in animals as pets without taking the responsibility that should be required as a dog owner.

It’s a wildlife refuge, Brad.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by lobotryas »

globular-toast wrote: post #128
acomjean wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live near a wildlife refuge. They allowed dogs on leash for many years. But fewer and fewer complied. About 5 years ago after trying all sorts of signage they banned dogs altogether. I feel bad for the small minority of dog owners who complied and kept their dogs on-leash

What's the point of walking a dog on a leash, though? Dogs need to stretch their legs. They're supposed to run around. The underlying problem is people taking in animals as pets without taking the responsibility that should be required as a dog owner.

Go buy a few private acres for that. If your dog shares public space with others you don’t get to just let it off leash.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

#137

Post by vanattab »

csense wrote: post #133
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it.

Can you legally shoot someone who pulls a gun on your dog?

No

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

#138

Post by bradleyjg »

EB66 wrote: post #132
bradleyjg wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s play this out a little bit: I point out that your generation is also destroying the planet. You acknowledge that—-taking the position that we all are sinners to a greater or lesser extent. However, since the contemporary Western religion is Protestantism without a Christ, you don’t even have any salvation to offer. Just endless flagellation of self and others over our sinful natures. We should all do good works…

> I point out that your generation is also destroying the planet. No, not quite. You stated "no one decided [to harm the environment]". My reply sought to explain how that is incorrect. > You acknowledge that—-taking the position that we all are sinners to a greater or lesser extent. Again, not quite. "We are all sinners" is very different from 'humans have made decisions to harm the environment for a long time'. Tho…

> In this thread, I'm contributing in a tiny way by dispelling the notion that "no one decided [to harm the environment]". As I stated above: If we ever want to turn the tide on global environmental destruction, then it is imperative that we as a society not diminish individual responsibility for the impact of one's decisions and actions.

On the contrary preaching at people to change their sinful ways will never work. In fact, it’s likely to be counterproductive. But self righteous sure does feel good.

If you really want to save the environment, and not just feel like a good person, invent ways to break the zero sum trade off curve between the environment and human flourishing in the short and medium term.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

#139

Post by fugfjj »

csense wrote: post #133
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it.

Can you legally shoot someone who pulls a gun on your dog?

No. A dog is not a human being, unless there is another factor (like your dog was defending you) youre looking at a murder charge. No matter how angry you might get the best you should keep your cool. Otherwise you're betting on being the benevolence of nine.

Only K-9 have that right, and thats ridiculous

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by devwastaken »

csense wrote: post #133
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it.

Can you legally shoot someone who pulls a gun on your dog?

No. Doesn't meet any of the standards of self defense.
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