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3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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As a cyclist, I've had a fair share of "well trained" dogs chase me and nip at my ankles. It's scary and usually only ends after I stop, get off my bike and walk back towards the owner so they can regain control. > Taking them off leash, when others have a fair expectation that they will be leashed is rude and inconsiderate. This sums it up perfectly. Thank you!

> I've had a fair share of "well trained" dogs chase me and nip at my ankles Not sure why you say "well trained", the owners have obviously not trained the dog and has no business being off the leash, they are not well trained by any definition and you won't see dogs like that without a leash here in Barcelona. > > Taking them off leash, when others have a fair expectation that they will be leashed is rude and incons…

> Not sure why you say "well trained", the owners have obviously not trained the dog and has no business being off the leash, they are not well trained by any definition and you won't see dogs like that without a leash here in Barcelona.

He was using scare quotes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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No one decided that. It feels good to divide the world into good guys and bad guys, but if that’s your mental model of history and older people (like me) you are going to make mistaken judgments over and over again.

What? Of course humans have decided to harm the environment. It happens every day and has happened for as long as humans have existed. I don't think his comment "divides the world into good guys and bad guys" -- it merely points out an abundantly obvious truth. Clear-cutting, overfishing, fossil fuel extraction, emissions, etc didn't just happen on their own -- they all required a human decision. Whether or not human…

Let’s play this out a little bit:

I point out that your generation is also destroying the planet.

You acknowledge that—-taking the position that we all are sinners to a greater or lesser extent.

However, since the contemporary Western religion is Protestantism without a Christ, you don’t even have any salvation to offer. Just endless flagellation of self and others over our sinful natures. We should all do good works, of course, but we are bound to fail. O fortuna!

Why not instead of hating humanity and spending your life impotently shaking your fist at our collective imperfections, look for systemic solutions that are compatible with human nature?

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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“ That’s contributed not only to increased drone activity, but also to more dogs and bicycles on the trails – all of which are prohibited. “We’ve seen a significant increase in dogs, particularly off-leash,” Loebl said. “That’s devastating for wildlife and this is prime nesting season. The dogs chase the birds and the birds abandon their nests.” Another problem is the development of multimillion-dollar homes on the h…

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

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Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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I frequently walk my dogs without leash. They follow my command, don't disturb other people or dogs unless both parties engage and generally I don't do anything that someone who has a leash wouldn't be doing. They also walk side-by-side with me when off-leash. This is very common in the city I live and surrounding area (Barcelona, Spain and Catalunya). Both me and others without leashes are indistinctive from people…

Strange you're getting so downvoted. While I am a dog owner (and therefore may have a bias) I don't think you've said anything wrong or even controversial. I've seen a lot of US-based people who cannot fathom the idea of a well-behaved dog being completely fine off-leash, so maybe this is why? I must say that in this sort of situation - an area near a nesting site - I absolutely agree a dog shouldn't be free to run a…

I'm going to hazard a guess as to why the downvotes are happening: There's a silent majority out there who are not happy with the way dog owners behave, which is very often badly. Most of the time they have no real power to do anything about it, but it's occasionally visible in places like this with karma systems.

In my experience, most dog owners are like the user who started this thread. They do what they want, having their dog constantly off leash in areas where it's clearly not allowed, and then rationalize it to themselves with something like "well my dog's well behaved and would never hurt a fly!" It's incredibly inconsiderate to both the environment (dogs are constantly chasing and damaging wildlife, a lot of poop gets left behind as the owner is walking off in front and doesn't notice) and other people (many people don't like dogs, dogs are dangerous for bicyclists and small kids, and some people have smaller dogs who they don't want strange dogs interacting with), and indeed the badly behaved dog owner will see signs of this on a daily basis, but chooses to consciously ignore all of them by pretending none of it's happening.

Dog culture around the Bay Area where I am has reached peak absurd. With more dogs in SF now than kids, people treat their dogs like they would human children. Off leash dogs in on leash or even no dog areas is the norm. At least a few times a week I'll see an off leash dog to something bad to a person or another dog, and the owner pretend-chastise them with a, "ooohhhhh Fido, silly dog, don't do that" (but in a sweet tone so the dog is not actually being chastised) followed by a "he doesn't normally do that". You know of course that Fido does normally do that on a consistent basis, and the owner is pretending Fido doesn't because they really don't care.

It's frustrating to me, and probably frustrating to other people on here too. There's no real enforcement anywhere, so the only thing we can do is ask dog owners to put their animals back on leash, which will be ignored. It's like fighting entropy at this point, and if you're anything like me, you sort of wish nebulously that people would just be better.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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> We have no idea whether your dogs are properly trained or not I think the assumption is, at least from mine and others like me, is that if your dog is off-leash, you can handle your dog off-leash. The same if you bring friends to some social event, you wouldn't bring them if you can't handle them and they can behave in public. I'm not afraid they are gonna attack me, although sometimes humans do attack other humans…

> The same if you bring friends to some social event, you wouldn't bring them if you can't handle them and they can behave in public. No, this is not the same. You are legally responsible for the behavior of your dog.

The legal responsibility angle of this all always leave my head spinning.

If you let your dog off leash in a place where it is illegal to do so, congratulations: you've just lost the lawsuit.

If anything remotely funny happens -- regardless of what -- the liability can and will fall on the dog-owner for their reckless behavior. The real sad part of this is when the dog gets put down for the stupid owner...but my point is the people who let their dogs off leash have also posted a big, red sign saying "I'm responsible for anything happening here" -- even though few of them seem aware of that fact. Liability only becomes a question again if there is another dog-owner with their dog off leash.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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You’re in the minority - too many dog owners think their dogs are fine and when their dog runs dozens of yards away from their master to bound up to us th egg cheerfully call out, “It’s a friendly dog!” Then they go on their merry way and I have to attend to my 2 crying toddlers. Maybe they only kicked my kids’ faces but sometimes they knock them down. I grew up with dogs in the 20th century - mine could obey and do…

> You’re in the minority Yes, if I was in the USA maybe I would be in the minority. But where I actually live (Barcelona, Spain) I'm not, as mentioned before. Countless people walk their dogs without leashes here, and no one bats an eye. > too many dog owners think their dogs are fine and when their dog runs dozens of yards away from their master to bound up to us th egg cheerfully call out, “It’s a friendly dog!” Su…

If they leave their dogs off leash in leash-only areas, YES, they are being inconsiderate.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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I frequently walk my dogs without leash. They follow my command, don't disturb other people or dogs unless both parties engage and generally I don't do anything that someone who has a leash wouldn't be doing. They also walk side-by-side with me when off-leash. This is very common in the city I live and surrounding area (Barcelona, Spain and Catalunya). Both me and others without leashes are indistinctive from people…

Three things: - Laws are virtually never there to regulate the median case. They're there to reduce the risk of harm. The reason we don't let people have automatic weapons isn't because most people would go on a killing spree if they had one, it's that a tiny minority would, and that would be disastrous. - It's literally only been just yesterday that I watched someone's "well behaved" dog attack my friend's dog on a…

>- I'm sure you have the one dog in the world that doesn't chase birds. Most dogs do. This is specifically about that case.

This really demonstrates your ignorance. Such dogs are not uncommon, particularly when well trained. My dog doesn't chase birds. She's a border collie that lives for frisbee and frisbee only. I taught her the herding maneuvers, but she does it lackadaisically and it's hard to get her to give eye to chickens. She's just not into it, but she'll humor me if I tell her to do it. Frisbee though... she is. And she can be at a dead sprint after a frisbee in flight and if I say "Stop" she'll stop on a dime. If the frisbee drifts off the field and into the street, she'll simply stop on the edge of the grass or sidewalk and wait for my ok to go get it without me saying anything.

And my dog really isn't special. Honestly, she has been a difficult to train dog from day one, but she has still been trained. Her mother though... man she's a true pleasure to work with.

I usually walk her off leash as well. When people ask me to put her on leash, I do, and I hold it with a loose pinky finger since it's kind of a joke because of how unneeded it is.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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post #23

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people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

I live near a wildlife refuge. They allowed dogs on leash for many years. But fewer and fewer complied. About 5 years ago after trying all sorts of signage they banned dogs altogether. I feel bad for the small minority of dog owners who complied and kept their dogs on-leash

What's the point of walking a dog on a leash, though? Dogs need to stretch their legs. They're supposed to run around. The underlying problem is people taking in animals as pets without taking the responsibility that should be required as a dog owner.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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“ That’s contributed not only to increased drone activity, but also to more dogs and bicycles on the trails – all of which are prohibited. “We’ve seen a significant increase in dogs, particularly off-leash,” Loebl said. “That’s devastating for wildlife and this is prime nesting season. The dogs chase the birds and the birds abandon their nests.” Another problem is the development of multimillion-dollar homes on the h…

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

My father told me a story of a man walking in a park one day when an unleashed dog walked up to him. The man took out his handgun and shot it.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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post #23

“ That’s contributed not only to increased drone activity, but also to more dogs and bicycles on the trails – all of which are prohibited. “We’ve seen a significant increase in dogs, particularly off-leash,” Loebl said. “That’s devastating for wildlife and this is prime nesting season. The dogs chase the birds and the birds abandon their nests.” Another problem is the development of multimillion-dollar homes on the h…

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

I've not witnessed this hostility or violence, but as with all things there's probably some tiny fraction of the population that motivates comments like this one.

I have had non-dog owners speak pretty nastily to me, whether it's about my dog doing something natural (like defecating, which I carry bags for) or not realizing that areas are off-leash. I typically find the latter when I go camping (though there are certainly trails and campgrounds that are non-off leash this usually isn't about the dog itself, but the presence of predatory or endangered wildlife).

As a responsible dog owner, I check the beaches I'm going to, I check the parks (including trails and campgrounds) I go to, my dog is harnessed rather than collared, and my dog is properly socialized for both humans and animals (cats too!)

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