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G7: Rich nations back deal to tax multinationals

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Re: G7: Rich nations back deal to tax multinationals

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I'm thinking that this will be a entry barrier for new global startups. How are a self funded entrepreneur supposed to support any country tax at day zero? Taxes where business takes place is nice, but an easy way to pay taxes globally would be better.

SmallCo are excluded.

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Summary: > Firstly, the G7 want a global minimum tax rate so as to avoid a "race to the bottom" where countries can undercut each other with low tax rates. > Secondly, the rules will aim to make companies pay tax in the countries where they are selling their products or services, rather than wherever they end up declaring their profits. Good. It’s a shame that Biden had to back down from the initial 28% because of do…

15% is a more reasonable minimum tax rate if there is a guarantee this is a loophole-proof, concrete floor rate. 28% would probably never fly without loopholes that would bring the effective rate to 15% anyway.

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Tax on revenue is just a sales tax on the consumer of that product or service. You might as just increase sales taxes and remove corporate taxes entirely.

In WA sales tax only applies to retail sales. Which means a revenue tax and a retail sales tax are not equivalent. For example, if a home builder is buying lumber directly from a wholesaler, they aren’t paying a sales tax. Whereas the revenue tax does catch a portion of that income. Maybe you mean we should broaden the concept of sales tax, and apply it to all transactions? That would be closer to equivalent to a rev…

Yes, conventional sales taxes apply to the final retail sale. But in your example, a home builder buying lumber does pay sales taxes, since there is no sales tax on the sale of the finished home (at least not in my state).

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If you’re going down this route, many will argue that all forms of income tax are equally “wrong”. Henry George - a 19th century political economist - proposed exactly this, and suggested the only thing that should be taxed should be land: impossible to hide from a tax inspector, potentially a waste to the public commons if useful land that could be exploited isn’t and you can even protect land you wish to keep prist…

I remember my economics professor arguing that would be the most efficient tax after he explained how all taxes have the side effect of reducing the thing being taxed. So taxing something bad like CO2, great idea. Taxing something good like income or creating jobs - bad idea. Land tax would be simple, and very progressive, the tax rate of most young people renting world now be 0. It's more complex than that because t…

I actually love this idea, although I would just do a wealth tax. Anyone who owns wealth gets taxed a bit. If you only taxed land, then lots of people would just move all their assets into stocks instead of land.

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It's one thing to get G7 to agree on something when they're literally in the same club, another to get their client states that might previously have been attractive options like Ireland or Estonia to get on board to some degree. But jurisdictions that are much more independent and less prone to leverage like Georgia or Malaysia on the other hand I just don't see it. And that's before you get off into the weeds of ju…

Low-tax countries in the EU are being ruthlessly isolated already. This has been happening for some 15 years now, and accelerated after Brexit; covid might well be the nail in the coffin. I am also sceptical of your claim that jurisdictions like Georgia and Malaysia are "less prone to leverage" - their proximity to large adversaries actually makes them more dependent on soft-power diplomacy to maintain big friends. O…

> their proximity to large adversaries actually makes them more dependent on soft-power diplomacy to maintain big friends.

Considering how the west interacted with the Crimea takeover I'm pretty sure these countries have realized by now that the west doesn't really care about their protection.

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I would love to know the real motives. I don't automatically buy the "ensure fairness for the middle class and working people" line. "Love for the people" is always the stated motive of all oligarchs and tyrants. And frankly, these politicians aren't exactly in some adversarial relationship, or at the very least a legal supervisory one, with corporations. That myth died a long time ago. Better to ask: why would corpo…

Established Companies love regulations, it hinders competition to eating market share.

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As an Australian who moved to Sweden, I was amazed at how efficient the Swedish income tax process was. The government already knew everything they needed to calculate your return, and gave it pre-filled. There were not endless exemptions. Nobody at my work used an accountant, most approved their tax with a few clicks and were done. So much more efficient than in Australia!

In the UK if you're in full time employment and only have one job, then there's literally nothing to do. Not even clicking somewhere to approve your tax return - your employer does it all for you. I know people who are literally unaware when the tax year ends because they never in their entire adult lives had to do anything with the tax return - it's just completely irrelevant to a normal working person. And on the o…

This only works until you make ~100k GBP or have "complicated" income (e.g. shares instead of cash), which people in our industry hit very easily.

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I’m of the opinion that there should only be income tax (paid as a function of standard deviations from from the mean wage on the logistical curve). And all personal profits should be considered income, including sold shares, paid dividends, earned interest, etc. However I can see how that system would be abused. E.g. instead of buying that yacht from your personal money (which you need to pay 70% tax on when you tra…

How about the self-sustaining farmer who doesn't need to work in society? Completely capable individual, has a certain way of life, and suddenly they don't need to contribute? How about the person who has so much wealth that they will never need to work in their life? Government is labor that benefits the people. The only way an individual can escape the duty is if they are incapable or if society deems that they des…

Indeed. Which is the reason why my conclusion was opposite to the opinion. The real world gets in the way of it being practical.

But in my ideal world inheritance is considered income and is taxed as such. And on a logistical curve a billionaire inheritance is taxed really close to 100%. Anybody that has earned so much money they no longer need to work has paid as much in taxes (and continue to do so as interest is taxed as income). Additionally on a logistical curve it is almost impossible anyway to earn this much since a huge earning is taxed close to 100%. For example, someone making 5 standard deviations above the mean pays 99.33% tax on it, so they will probably end up with less after taxes then someone earning 2 standard deviations below the mean (11.92% tax).

As for the farmer who is self sustaining. I guess they are not using up much of the shared infrastructure anyway, I see no need for them to be paying taxes.

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Summary: > Firstly, the G7 want a global minimum tax rate so as to avoid a "race to the bottom" where countries can undercut each other with low tax rates. > Secondly, the rules will aim to make companies pay tax in the countries where they are selling their products or services, rather than wherever they end up declaring their profits. Good. It’s a shame that Biden had to back down from the initial 28% because of do…

More taxes is always good, can’t wait for 100% taxes so I can use my gucci bag voucher while playing ps5 at home

What a reductionist view of things. No one serious is arguing for that.

Re: G7: Rich nations back deal to tax multinationals

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Summary: > Firstly, the G7 want a global minimum tax rate so as to avoid a "race to the bottom" where countries can undercut each other with low tax rates. > Secondly, the rules will aim to make companies pay tax in the countries where they are selling their products or services, rather than wherever they end up declaring their profits. Good. It’s a shame that Biden had to back down from the initial 28% because of do…

The actual rate is the least important part. What is important is jurisdictional issues, accounting standards, corporate law, deferral rules and the like. This is the problem with corporation tax generally. You can't really have a conversation about it in "normal" terms, that a journalist, politician or MOP can understand. It can only be understood via scenario plans and spreadsheets. It's a million little details. T…

So true. It's a fixing the algorithm vs tweaking some parameters situation.

PS: if I were to design a state I would make it a part of the constitution that laws must either be written with placeholder variables for any concrete numbers you'd want to put into them or specify only concrete values for those placeholders and nothing else. And no single vote can contain both kinds at once.

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