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Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by throwaway803453 » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:24 PM UTC

ecf wrote: post #73

mensetmanusman wrote: post #6

“ That’s contributed not only to increased drone activity, but also to more dogs and bicycles on the trails – all of which are prohibited. “We’ve seen a significant increase in dogs, particularly off-leash,” Loebl said. “That’s devastating for wildlife and this is prime nesting season. The dogs chase the birds and the birds abandon their nests.” Another problem is the development of multimillion-dollar homes on the h…

As someone in their 20s I’ve already come to terms with just how much wildlife I’ll never be able to see because previous generations decided to absolutely destroy the planet.

As someone in their 20's you are also likely lamenting the lack of affordable housing. One way to address it is to build more housing which which disrupts wildlife.

Without affordable housing you might delay having children and getting married like I did. Wait too long and you might never be able to see your children or grandchildren because you won't have them.

Reframing it that way might reduce resentment and ameliorate this perpetual blame of the previous generations. You'll have to pick your poison just like previous generations did only to later be criticized regardless of which poison you chose.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by elvischidera » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:24 PM UTC

smcl wrote: post #48

blamazon wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is it inconsiderate if the dogs themselves are behaving? This is the problem right here. We have no idea whether your dogs are properly trained or not. There is no certification or regulation for having a dog off leash. We have no idea if they’re going to suddenly snap and, in the worst case scenario, viciously attack a baby, something they are biologically quite capable of. It is probably different in collecti…

Can I ask where you're from? This might be a cultural difference. I mentioned originally in another comment (then removed it as it looked a bit hostile) that this might be something more US-centric as it hasn't been a problem anywhere I've seen in Europe. I don't mean to bash the USA here, but I think there might be more "this is a free country and I can do what I want..." types over there who (if they have a dog) ar…

Not sure. I will just share my own personal experience.

I live in Germany and I go to parks to freestyle with a soccer ball. My issue has always been dogs off lease interfering with my personal business. I have some balls with bite marks. I have been snubbed and sometimes gotten a rude response from owners.

I have lived in the USA also. My observation generally is that people find it weird when you say you don't like dogs/cats/etc -- almost like they are hearing it for the first time. This was a big difference from my home place.

I don't hate them, I just feel totally uncomfortable. Sometimes I feel my heart racing or I just totally freeze when I see a dog off lease nearby. (I would love to fix this: would appreciate any pointers).

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by tomjen3 » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:24 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #25

fnord77 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

I frequently walk my dogs without leash. They follow my command, don't disturb other people or dogs unless both parties engage and generally I don't do anything that someone who has a leash wouldn't be doing. They also walk side-by-side with me when off-leash. This is very common in the city I live and surrounding area (Barcelona, Spain and Catalunya). Both me and others without leashes are indistinctive from people…

The wast majority of dogs that aren't leashed should be. If I encounter your dogs I can't know if they are one of the handful out of a hundred who are totally safe to keep off leash, or not. I can also not know if they are mostly fine off leash but react badly to bicyclists, other dogs or whatever.

So when I encounter them I have to assume you are not a reponsible dog owner.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by FooBarBizBazz » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:29 PM UTC

fnord77 wrote: post #23

mensetmanusman wrote: post #6

“ That’s contributed not only to increased drone activity, but also to more dogs and bicycles on the trails – all of which are prohibited. “We’ve seen a significant increase in dogs, particularly off-leash,” Loebl said. “That’s devastating for wildlife and this is prime nesting season. The dogs chase the birds and the birds abandon their nests.” Another problem is the development of multimillion-dollar homes on the h…

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

The dog, in this instance, is not sufficiently subject to the master-pet power relation for your comfort?

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by rangersanger » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:30 PM UTC

throwaway803453 wrote: post #81

ecf wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone in their 20s I’ve already come to terms with just how much wildlife I’ll never be able to see because previous generations decided to absolutely destroy the planet.

As someone in their 20's you are also likely lamenting the lack of affordable housing. One way to address it is to build more housing which which disrupts wildlife. Without affordable housing you might delay having children and getting married like I did. Wait too long and you might never be able to see your children or grandchildren because you won't have them. Reframing it that way might reduce resentment and ameli…

Are you saying that the act of building affordable housing impacts wildlife/that affordable housing is built in locations disruptive to wildlife?

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by Gene5ive » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:33 PM UTC

I decided to read the comments on the linked article and got depressed. It's a similar feeling to what Ethan Hawke portrayed in First Reformed. Caring about nature is a lonely and foreboding state of being.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by FooBarBizBazz » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:34 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #31

blamazon wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is it inconsiderate if the dogs themselves are behaving? This is the problem right here. We have no idea whether your dogs are properly trained or not. There is no certification or regulation for having a dog off leash. We have no idea if they’re going to suddenly snap and, in the worst case scenario, viciously attack a baby, something they are biologically quite capable of. It is probably different in collecti…

> We have no idea whether your dogs are properly trained or not I think the assumption is, at least from mine and others like me, is that if your dog is off-leash, you can handle your dog off-leash. The same if you bring friends to some social event, you wouldn't bring them if you can't handle them and they can behave in public. I'm not afraid they are gonna attack me, although sometimes humans do attack other humans…

> if you bring friends to some social event, you wouldn't bring them if you can't handle them and they can behave in public. I'm not afraid they are gonna attack me

Maybe, but I'd still feel safer if they were properly leashed and muzzled.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by _abox » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

throwaway803453 wrote: post #81

ecf wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone in their 20s I’ve already come to terms with just how much wildlife I’ll never be able to see because previous generations decided to absolutely destroy the planet.

As someone in their 20's you are also likely lamenting the lack of affordable housing. One way to address it is to build more housing which which disrupts wildlife. Without affordable housing you might delay having children and getting married like I did. Wait too long and you might never be able to see your children or grandchildren because you won't have them. Reframing it that way might reduce resentment and ameli…

Not having children at allor at least less of them is a better way to protect the environment and housing though. If we continue to grow our population as we are we're going to run out of natural resources and space to live sooner or later.

It'll cause some immediate societal issues like an unbalanced population pyramid just like the boomers did. But it'll be better in the long run.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by oh_sigh » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:36 PM UTC

blamazon wrote: post #26

fnord77 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

Typified in the viral ‘Central Park Birdwatching Incident.’ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_birdwatching_in...

The guy approached her, told her to put her dog on the leash, and then said something along the lines of "Put your dog on leash or I'm going to do something you're not going to like".

And then he pulled dog treats out of his pocket(he doesn't have a dog, he carries them for confrontations with dog owners he gets into) and attempted to lure the dog away from her.

I think, if the races were reversed, the off-leash person would have been seen as the victim, and the dude would have been told "You aren't the park police - mind your own business".

However, because she called the police and said a black man was accosting her, twitter/cnn took that to mean she was trying to get the police to show up to kill this dude, which is a crazy idea to me, considering the NYPD has hundreds of thousands of interactions with black people every year and almost all of them end in the person not being killed.

She also described him as a man, and as "with a bike helmet" multiple times, which leads me to believe she was just "describing the perp" like they do in crime shows when people call the emergency services, and not saying "Hey 911, come kill this black man!"

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Post by afiori » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

tolbish wrote: post #70

blamazon wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typified in the viral ‘Central Park Birdwatching Incident.’ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_birdwatching_in...

I'm guessing she blamed cancel culture and the woke left for losing her job/dog instead of blaming her racism and foolishly filing a false police report.

From wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_birdwatching_inci...

> Christian asked Amy to leash her dog, and she allegedly refused. By his own account, Christian then said, "Look, if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it," and beckoned the dog toward him with a dog treat.[3] Amy then yelled, "Don't you touch my dog!"[3] Christian then began recording on his cellphone.[1][3]

And the man post where he tells his own side of the story (the [3] in the wikipedia article): https://nypost.com/2020/05/26/christian-cooper-recounts-amy-...

> “ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.

> “HER: It’s too dangerous.

> “ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.

> “HER: What’s that?

> “ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!

> “HER: He won’t come to you.

> “ME: We’ll see about that…” before adding, “I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn’t even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.

> “HER: DON’T YOU TOUCH MY DOG!!!!!

> “That’s when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn..

I have no interest in defending or accusing anyone nor in discussing whether her action in the video where motivated and/or reasonable. But to say that she had no basis to perceive this as threathing behaviour (`filing a false police report`) feels a bit of a stretch.

PS: Obviously this topic can be seen from many angles, my response to you comment is almost entirely due to the "false" in "filing a false police report", had you substituted "racially motivated" this comment would be moot.