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3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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With that attitude eventually there will just be cockroaches, rats and humans.

not even humans. what humans don't understand is that when you protect ecosystems, i.e. the planet you protect your own species. We are part of a biological "balance" a change creates risks for us.

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Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Interesting. I wonder why the drone caused such a disproportionate response. The article doesn't address it but I doubt that if, say, an eagle had landed or started killing birds they would have abandoned so many eggs.

I fly drones including with commercial filming permits at conservation parks/islands with large bird populations. Different types of birds react in various ways to a drone though I've never noticed similar birds to these act in an overly panicked way. Some types of birds will take flight and then resettle, some will circle closely and try to intimidate the drone (galahs), some charge or consider attacking it (osprey,…

As a mitigation, consider a slower, quieter, winged drone. With gyro stabilization, one could be built to mimic the profile of a large non-predator, recognizable as such to the vulnerable birds. Vulture, goose, albatross ...

Drone hackers: Consider the business opportunity here.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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“ That’s contributed not only to increased drone activity, but also to more dogs and bicycles on the trails – all of which are prohibited. “We’ve seen a significant increase in dogs, particularly off-leash,” Loebl said. “That’s devastating for wildlife and this is prime nesting season. The dogs chase the birds and the birds abandon their nests.” Another problem is the development of multimillion-dollar homes on the h…

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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On one hand that sucks. On the other hand, given their alleged response to disturbances, how aren't these birds extinct yet? This makes me somewhat skeptical of this story.

Does anyone know how these birds react to thunderstorms?

Thunderstorms are likely rare in this location. Most of coastal California only experiences such storms less than once a year, depending on when they begin nesting any rain at all may not be common, as typically they is little rain from April to October.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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“ That’s contributed not only to increased drone activity, but also to more dogs and bicycles on the trails – all of which are prohibited. “We’ve seen a significant increase in dogs, particularly off-leash,” Loebl said. “That’s devastating for wildlife and this is prime nesting season. The dogs chase the birds and the birds abandon their nests.” Another problem is the development of multimillion-dollar homes on the h…

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

I frequently walk my dogs without leash. They follow my command, don't disturb other people or dogs unless both parties engage and generally I don't do anything that someone who has a leash wouldn't be doing. They also walk side-by-side with me when off-leash. This is very common in the city I live and surrounding area (Barcelona, Spain and Catalunya). Both me and others without leashes are indistinctive from people who are using leashes.

How is inconsiderate if the dogs themselves are behaving? Maybe there is something I'm missing, and I'd like to understand your point of view. I could understand you think it's inconsiderate if people don't have control on their dogs and they annoy others while the owners do nothing, then I agree with you. But just because of being off-leash? Not sure I understand that line of reasoning.

Edit: Just to clarify further, if I did meet someone who asks me to leash my dog I would obviously do so without hostility or violence. In my ~6 years of having dogs in Barcelona, that has yet to happen even once.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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“ That’s contributed not only to increased drone activity, but also to more dogs and bicycles on the trails – all of which are prohibited. “We’ve seen a significant increase in dogs, particularly off-leash,” Loebl said. “That’s devastating for wildlife and this is prime nesting season. The dogs chase the birds and the birds abandon their nests.” Another problem is the development of multimillion-dollar homes on the h…

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

Typified in the viral ‘Central Park Birdwatching Incident.’

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_birdwatching_in...

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

I frequently walk my dogs without leash. They follow my command, don't disturb other people or dogs unless both parties engage and generally I don't do anything that someone who has a leash wouldn't be doing. They also walk side-by-side with me when off-leash. This is very common in the city I live and surrounding area (Barcelona, Spain and Catalunya). Both me and others without leashes are indistinctive from people…

> How is it inconsiderate if the dogs themselves are behaving?

This is the problem right here. We have no idea whether your dogs are properly trained or not. There is no certification or regulation for having a dog off leash. We have no idea if they’re going to suddenly snap and, in the worst case scenario, viciously attack a baby, something they are biologically quite capable of.

It is probably different in collectivist societies where folks consider proper training a prerequisite to going off-leash, but where I’m from we have a scourge of ignorant owners who are not in control of their dogs. They ruin it for everybody.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

I frequently walk my dogs without leash. They follow my command, don't disturb other people or dogs unless both parties engage and generally I don't do anything that someone who has a leash wouldn't be doing. They also walk side-by-side with me when off-leash. This is very common in the city I live and surrounding area (Barcelona, Spain and Catalunya). Both me and others without leashes are indistinctive from people…

Do we just downvote people now who contradict the majority’s opinion?

As far as I can say this adds to the discussion.

Someone literally said people who don’t have their dogs on leashes are prone to violent confrontations.

Then someone else retorted this is not the case for them and asked for elaboration to better understand their interlocutor’s point of view.

We should not be abusing downvote privilegies by discouraging viewpoints that we disagree with, when these viewpoints are relevant to the discussion. In the long run that will be harmful to ths community here and the next generation of hackers will go to different forums, or, worse, learn from our example.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

I frequently walk my dogs without leash. They follow my command, don't disturb other people or dogs unless both parties engage and generally I don't do anything that someone who has a leash wouldn't be doing. They also walk side-by-side with me when off-leash. This is very common in the city I live and surrounding area (Barcelona, Spain and Catalunya). Both me and others without leashes are indistinctive from people…

I'm not the GP but I'd like to comment on this because it's an interesting question.

Some people are afraid of dogs. Others come from cultures where dogs are considered ritually unclean. And no stranger can verify just by a glance that your dogs will behave themselves.

To take the third point to its logical extreme, imagine a town where police wear street clothes and openly carry firearms. You, a visitor, cannot determine by observation alone that they are all highly trained officers of the law. You simply see people with firearms. That could be unsettling, despite the fact that the presence of those people actually makes you safer.

I suppose that if everyone is walking their dogs without a leash, it's not really an issue because the culture has adapted to that practice.

Re: 3,000 eggs abandoned after drone scares birds in California

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

people with dogs off-leash are extremely inconsiderate. they're also the type to get hostile and even violent if you say anything

I frequently walk my dogs without leash. They follow my command, don't disturb other people or dogs unless both parties engage and generally I don't do anything that someone who has a leash wouldn't be doing. They also walk side-by-side with me when off-leash. This is very common in the city I live and surrounding area (Barcelona, Spain and Catalunya). Both me and others without leashes are indistinctive from people…

The problem is I don't know your dogs are well controlled. I've been bitten twice over the last year by leashless dogs.

This could of course be solved by introducing stiff penalties for owners of unleashed dogs who bite -- how about a fixed 10,000 dollar fine?

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