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G7: Rich nations back deal to tax multinationals

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Re: G7: Rich nations back deal to tax multinationals

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Summary: > Firstly, the G7 want a global minimum tax rate so as to avoid a "race to the bottom" where countries can undercut each other with low tax rates. > Secondly, the rules will aim to make companies pay tax in the countries where they are selling their products or services, rather than wherever they end up declaring their profits. Good. It’s a shame that Biden had to back down from the initial 28% because of do…

Good. I didn't think such a global minimum was politically possible. There was recently an article on HN where the author claimed that high tax rates don't impact high net worth individuals because they have already made their money. It just makes it harder for others to join the club. Perhaps what we need is a global maximum wealth (rather than income) cap, as a multiple of global median per-capita wealth. Perhaps s…

The secret of high net worth individuals is they don't own anything and they don't earn anything.

Re: G7: Rich nations back deal to tax multinationals

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This sounds like it will be hell for small software companies with customers all over the world. Paying taxes differently for each country of the customer you sell to is a ridiculous hardship. It only benefits the large multinationals to reduce their competition. These sorts of rules centralize markets to fewer and fewer companies able to spend the resources to fulfill more and more complex rules. The end result is h…

Don't payment processors like Stripe already handle different regional taxes?

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The cynic in me thinks this is primarily good for the Rich nations (G7), otherwise they would not have closed the deal. Somehow, this deal will be used to keep unincumbents out.

I'd ask some economists if thus is net negative or net positive for developing economies. If the principle is you pay tax in the economy you supply service, then a lot of service is supplied over mobile devices to emerging economies. Maybe their tax revenues will rise?

Net negative. This will put additional burden on small exporters who can't manage the ever-increasing bureaucracies linked to foreign exports.

Re: G7: Rich nations back deal to tax multinationals

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This sounds like it will be hell for small software companies with customers all over the world. Paying taxes differently for each country of the customer you sell to is a ridiculous hardship. It only benefits the large multinationals to reduce their competition. These sorts of rules centralize markets to fewer and fewer companies able to spend the resources to fulfill more and more complex rules. The end result is h…

Don't worry.

The proposed tax does nothing you think it does, as the article explains. Pillar one does not apply small companies.

Small companies pay just corporate tax as they did before, as the article explains. Nothing changes in that front. Pillar two.

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The cynic in me thinks this is primarily good for the Rich nations (G7), otherwise they would not have closed the deal. Somehow, this deal will be used to keep unincumbents out.

I'd ask some economists if thus is net negative or net positive for developing economies. If the principle is you pay tax in the economy you supply service, then a lot of service is supplied over mobile devices to emerging economies. Maybe their tax revenues will rise?

Only if they peg their currency to the dollar or each other: If they don’t then tax revenue has little to do with the rate of tax and more to do with the level of saving. And nothing at all to do with the capacity of the nation to provide public services - which is more to do with its overall productivity level and power structure.

Economists struggle with how money actually works let alone the function of taxation and its incidence.

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A few countries agreeing on a global law. Sounds to me like "USA and UK agree that China should do X". Good luck enforcing it and closing all loopholes when there are powerful people that don't want that. Empty political talk to make it look like they are trying

China’s tax rate is considerably higher than 15% and they also don’t want their industries to be competing against companies who are cheating the tax man.

I just wanted to show how silly is sounds that some ally countries think they can enforce actions on other countries

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Summary: > Firstly, the G7 want a global minimum tax rate so as to avoid a "race to the bottom" where countries can undercut each other with low tax rates. > Secondly, the rules will aim to make companies pay tax in the countries where they are selling their products or services, rather than wherever they end up declaring their profits. Good. It’s a shame that Biden had to back down from the initial 28% because of do…

Good. I didn't think such a global minimum was politically possible. There was recently an article on HN where the author claimed that high tax rates don't impact high net worth individuals because they have already made their money. It just makes it harder for others to join the club. Perhaps what we need is a global maximum wealth (rather than income) cap, as a multiple of global median per-capita wealth. Perhaps s…

This anxiety about being able to join the club is the key to keeping the 99% imprisoned. We are all just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

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There are some countries that you can move to that are generally free of the laws of western nations. For some reason, people from “western neoliberal and socialist” countries generally don’t move to them, though.

People do move there. Singapore picks up a ton of US expats, as did Hong Kong before it got swallowed by China. Bermuda and the Caymans have tons of companies and restrict immigration so tightly that they are less attractive.

Singapore has Common Law inherited from the British. Hong Kong also used to have British-style laws, until, as you said, it was "swallowed by China" (and even then, it's fairly Western on paper).

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Good. I didn't think such a global minimum was politically possible. There was recently an article on HN where the author claimed that high tax rates don't impact high net worth individuals because they have already made their money. It just makes it harder for others to join the club. Perhaps what we need is a global maximum wealth (rather than income) cap, as a multiple of global median per-capita wealth. Perhaps s…

The secret of high net worth individuals is they don't own anything and they don't earn anything.

They pretend they don't.
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