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(Too Long; Didn't Waste a Whole Week Watching)
PyCon US 2021 Recordings are Available
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#12Question about youtube: Youtube video thumbnails abbreviates long video titles to "..." For example: TALK / Mariatta Wijaya / Oops! I Became an Open.. Is there a way to fix this?
I'd fix it by skipping the talks and looking at the commit histories instead. Works for every PyCon and is quite instructive.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s some great stuff on there. I’m blown away by the pace of innovation in the Python community.
What stuff blew you away?
As someone who writes lots of code that wrangles messy raw data inputs via DataFrames, the talk on Pandera type checking for DataFrames was very interesting. Dunno if it will work in practice for my use case, but I’ll definitely be checking it out.
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#14After watching this 2018 talk on typing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWV8t494N88
and this one last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST33zDM9vOE&t=68s
and finally this one in 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj_9TyT3V98
I think I'll finally start using type checking - it really seems to just eliminate a whole class of potential bugs; a class that is often not tested at that.
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#15After watching this 2018 talk on typing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWV8t494N88 and this one last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST33zDM9vOE&t=68s and finally this one in 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj_9TyT3V98 I think I'll finally start using type checking - it really seems to just eliminate a whole class of potential bugs; a class that is often not tested at that.
Great! I am so glad more people see types as a useful tool. Personally I see it as essential, so I struggle to understand the mind set of people who do not want to use them. I understand that people think it feels like a lot of work, but that is like nothing compared to the 90% of time people who dont use types spend on reading logs and fixng the same issues every day. I assume people have some sort of amnesia and thinking «oh the value was undefined, I have never seen THAT error before», but that is probably just me being bitter. So I was wondering, since you seem like a super-fresh converted;did you have any specific reservations originally, and whas there any specific type of solution to a issue that finally changed your mind?
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#16After watching this 2018 talk on typing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWV8t494N88 and this one last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST33zDM9vOE&t=68s and finally this one in 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj_9TyT3V98 I think I'll finally start using type checking - it really seems to just eliminate a whole class of potential bugs; a class that is often not tested at that.
Great! I am so glad more people see types as a useful tool. Personally I see it as essential, so I struggle to understand the mind set of people who do not want to use them. I understand that people think it feels like a lot of work, but that is like nothing compared to the 90% of time people who dont use types spend on reading logs and fixng the same issues every day. I assume people have some sort of amnesia and th…
Glad to share but I'm not sure if I'm representational - I'm a data analyst who is learning more about backend engineering.
I think if you're a SWE or has a CS education or worked with a compiled language before, you know exactly what kind of problem typing is solving. For me, I have to first discover the problem, slowly learn that there is a solution out there, and finally realizing that my problem can be solved by this solution.
The formalization of problem space + the discovery of solutions + the final realization of matching solutions to problems are non-trivial. I'm a bit embarrassed that it took so long and a bit sad. But it is what it is.
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#17After watching this 2018 talk on typing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWV8t494N88 and this one last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST33zDM9vOE&t=68s and finally this one in 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj_9TyT3V98 I think I'll finally start using type checking - it really seems to just eliminate a whole class of potential bugs; a class that is often not tested at that.
Great! I am so glad more people see types as a useful tool. Personally I see it as essential, so I struggle to understand the mind set of people who do not want to use them. I understand that people think it feels like a lot of work, but that is like nothing compared to the 90% of time people who dont use types spend on reading logs and fixng the same issues every day. I assume people have some sort of amnesia and th…
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#18After watching this 2018 talk on typing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWV8t494N88 and this one last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST33zDM9vOE&t=68s and finally this one in 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj_9TyT3V98 I think I'll finally start using type checking - it really seems to just eliminate a whole class of potential bugs; a class that is often not tested at that.
Great! I am so glad more people see types as a useful tool. Personally I see it as essential, so I struggle to understand the mind set of people who do not want to use them. I understand that people think it feels like a lot of work, but that is like nothing compared to the 90% of time people who dont use types spend on reading logs and fixng the same issues every day. I assume people have some sort of amnesia and th…
> I struggle to understand the mind set of people who do not want to use them
It usually comes from people who never had experience with statically typed languages, don't work on projects with a large dev team, cross teams projects or work with a lot of 3rd party libraries. They don't realize the maintenance nightmare that types can easy.
Sure you write one off script, or something that is rarely run don't use types, but when you have a 50k lines codebase that is actively developed and maintained it's another story.
I'm so glad Typescript changed that mindset of frontend developers and is supported by a lot of prominent open source projects
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#19Any suggestion about good presentations?
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great! I am so glad more people see types as a useful tool. Personally I see it as essential, so I struggle to understand the mind set of people who do not want to use them. I understand that people think it feels like a lot of work, but that is like nothing compared to the 90% of time people who dont use types spend on reading logs and fixng the same issues every day. I assume people have some sort of amnesia and th…
Glad to share but I'm not sure if I'm representational - I'm a data analyst who is learning more about backend engineering. I think if you're a SWE or has a CS education or worked with a compiled language before, you know exactly what kind of problem typing is solving. For me, I have to first discover the problem, slowly learn that there is a solution out there, and finally realizing that my problem can be solved by…
That makes perfect sense actually, thank you for taking the time to answer. And I’m indeed a SW eng with a degree, so spot on. I do something similar to data analysis «for fun»/non professinally but my day job is payment/banking systems. Live payment systems and settlement systems are both very different from analysis tasks. They have all the focus on «correctness» and integration interfaces with other organizations (which are ALWAYS wrong because «they» don’t understand types/strict interfaces). While analysis in my experience is dealing with tons of dirty data sources not in real time or the code will even just run once (not millions of times). I always go to cleaning the input and validating the data, but I suspect that is because of my day job and i feel it is less valuable to put in this effort than it is for my day job. So I have myself also skipped using types many times to learn whatever library I need or to iterate quicly (minutes compared to days). For example, it is very comfortable to just let pandas give you 0 for NaN when you just want a plot. So I understand it takes more time because the value of types is probably much lower to you in absolute terms.