“Tank Man”
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
“DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. [..] we also source from multiple partners, most commonly from Bing” [1]: https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so...
That's marketing speak, in reality the overwhelming majority are simply Bing results.
Yes, most commonly so.
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#53WTF. Is DDG helping China in censorship?
No, Bing is.
Yes. As a consequence of relying on Bing, DDG is also assisting in the censorship. It makes them part of it. They are not required to use Bing, they choose to.
It puts more emphasis on DDG's need - if their morality play is to continue to be believed - to build their own full-fledged search engine and stop relying so much on Bing & Co.'s results.
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#55This is probably related to Bing not showing results because, as far as I know, DuckDuckGo uses Bing as its underlying search engine. I’ve always chuckled at this from the Apple and Linux users railing against Microsoft but then they use DuckDuckGo. Interestingly, Bing shows plenty of relevant search results for their web results, including images, but doesn’t show results for an image search.
Link to Bing: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tank+man&qs=ds&form=QBI... This is scary because censorship is reaching to all over the world.
That deserves a whole page in itself :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_censorship_of_Chinese...
Although nowadays the bar to be shocked is quite high ..here are some remarkable examples:
European Union : "The organisation agreed to censor references to the Chinese origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, with research suggesting that self-censorship on sensitive topics that may offend the PRC is commonplace."
NASA: "The American space agency faced criticism in China for listing "Taiwan" as a country in a drop-down menu on a website about Mars."
World Health Organization: "Senior advisor Bruce Aylward faced criticism for saying he could not hear a question from RTHK journalist Yvonne Tong about whether Taiwan could join the WHO, asking her to move onto the next question then terminating the interview when she repeated it"
Re: “Tank Man”
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
“DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. [..] we also source from multiple partners, most commonly from Bing” [1]: https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so...
The omitted [..] bit is kind of relevant, since it makes clear that the hundreds of sources are not for the main results.
Yes, it is relevant, but I was replying to a statement which wasn't accurate.
We can have different opinions of what “results” mean, but the linked DDG FAQ piece is on their view of Results Sources and what that is.
Their results for “Tank Man” (and others) though, has the same shortcomings as Bing proper – so their reliance on Bing is absolutely a limiting factor for all to see.
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#57The regular DDG results for 'tank man' are baffling bad too; it amounts to little more than entries on Wikipedia that have 'tank' in them.
I get the Wikipedia link to Tiananmen Square Tank Man. But the image search is concerning.
When I do a search on DuckDuckGo for "Tiananmen tank man" I do get a few image results of the famous photograph.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, Bing is.
Yes. As a consequence of relying on Bing, DDG is also assisting in the censorship. It makes them part of it. They are not required to use Bing, they choose to. It puts more emphasis on DDG's need - if their morality play is to continue to be believed - to build their own full-fledged search engine and stop relying so much on Bing & Co.'s results.
>It puts more emphasis on DDG's need - if their morality play is to continue to be believed - to build their own full-fledged search engine and stop relying so much on Bing & Co.'s results.
Umm yes, they should just find a few billion dollars in their couch cushions to fund just the infrastructure for that.
Re: “Tank Man”
#59This is probably related to Bing not showing results because, as far as I know, DuckDuckGo uses Bing as its underlying search engine. I’ve always chuckled at this from the Apple and Linux users railing against Microsoft but then they use DuckDuckGo. Interestingly, Bing shows plenty of relevant search results for their web results, including images, but doesn’t show results for an image search.
But why does Bing filter this?
Who knows. There’s another post/thread on that I believe. My assumption or guess is that Bing operates in China and whatever filter they use there made it to the outside system by accident. But then again, it's still like that now, which is surprising.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, Bing is.
Yes. As a consequence of relying on Bing, DDG is also assisting in the censorship. It makes them part of it. They are not required to use Bing, they choose to. It puts more emphasis on DDG's need - if their morality play is to continue to be believed - to build their own full-fledged search engine and stop relying so much on Bing & Co.'s results.
Since your other comment here [1] got flagged and dead I can't reply to it, so I am replying here. I just wanted to say thanks for sharing here on Hacker News - glad that there are those here who stand up for the truth - very much ironic (in an Alanis way) that it would be on this very thread.