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No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by WalterBright »

tombert wrote: post #173
WalterBright wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel like you're purposefully conflating terms here. Not at all. But go ahead and believe those fuzzy blobs (pictures of UFOs are somehow always fuzzy blobs) are aliens if you like. Do you know why the UFO pictures are always fuzzy blobs? Because if they were clear pictures, we'd recognize they are birds/balloons/drones/Venus/whatever.

> But go ahead and believe those fuzzy blobs (pictures of UFOs are somehow always fuzzy blobs) are aliens if you like. I think you might have gotten your usernames mixed up. I said I don't think they're aliens. I don't disagree with you, I think every case of "alien" sightings are probably either camera artifacts or experimental aircrafts or people not knowing about how plane lights work.

Do you think this merits credulous attention from "serious" news media? Maybe, if they put it in their "Today's Horoscope" section. After all, can't rule out astrology being true, either.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by tombert »

WalterBright wrote: post #181
tombert wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But go ahead and believe those fuzzy blobs (pictures of UFOs are somehow always fuzzy blobs) are aliens if you like. I think you might have gotten your usernames mixed up. I said I don't think they're aliens. I don't disagree with you, I think every case of "alien" sightings are probably either camera artifacts or experimental aircrafts or people not knowing about how plane lights work.

Do you think this merits credulous attention from "serious" news media? Maybe, if they put it in their "Today's Horoscope" section. After all, can't rule out astrology being true, either.

> After all, can't rule out astrology being true, either.

It can (and has) actually. Whenever astrology has been tested, it has failed to hold any predictive properties. As such, it can be ruled out. You know this, because if you didn't then you wouldn't have used astrology as an example.

> Do you think this merits credulous attention from "serious" news media?

"Merits" is a loaded term and I don't think either of us are qualified to know what that means, but I'll take a shot at it.

This was an officially requested report by government officials that was requested by congress and a sizable chunk of the public. The report was released. People are interested in what the report has to say. If the news is there to report on what people find interesting, it certainly has met that criteria.

Now, what differentiates this from something like "The Weekly World News"? I think mostly who requested and released the report. This wasn't just some quack on Joe Rogan or Twitter or something, this was the United States Military: the most powerful and most-funded military on the planet.

I really do not think this is hard to parse, but just to be clear, here's an example: If I broke my leg tomorrow, and CNN reported on it, I would think "jeez, must be a slow news day". If Joe Biden broke his leg tomorrow, it would not be weird at all for CNN to report on it.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by DennisP »

lukebitts wrote: post #82
morpheos137 wrote: post #65

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>Aliens being non-peaceful fails logic Um, why?

Here's a fun answer: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/HowToInvad... Just the "Motivation and Planning" category will reveal several reasons. My favorite is that there is almost no reason to go through the trouble of colonizing our planet, if you need any of our resources you can mine asteroids and no one will fight back. Unless of course the aliens are Evil.

That sounds like ants reasoning "there's no reason for humans to mess with our ant hill. There's all that land right over there, and they won't have to fight us for it."

If the aliens are millions of years ahead of us, it's pretty optimistic to think they'll take us into account at all, unless maybe as a mildly interesting subject of nature documentaries.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by WalterBright »

tombert wrote: post #182
WalterBright wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think this merits credulous attention from "serious" news media? Maybe, if they put it in their "Today's Horoscope" section. After all, can't rule out astrology being true, either.

> After all, can't rule out astrology being true, either. It can (and has) actually. Whenever astrology has been tested, it has failed to hold any predictive properties. As such, it can be ruled out. You know this, because if you didn't then you wouldn't have used astrology as an example. > Do you think this merits credulous attention from "serious" news media? "Merits" is a loaded term and I don't think either of us…

> it has failed to hold any predictive properties

And so has the UFOs are aliens theory.

CNN isn't just reporting it, they're reporting it as credible. In fact, a "sizable chunk of the public" being interested in this is precisely because CNN (and some others) are reporting it as credible.

Welcome to CNN creating news, not just reporting it.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by noodles_nomore »

gfodor wrote: post #32

They exist. They are real. They aren't ours. They aren't an adversary's, because a) the military would never admit it if that were possible and b) if it were the case the adversary would have already taken over the world. There's no evidence they were made by aliens, leprechauns, or ghosts. But there's evidence they were made. Not that they are swamp gas or funny clouds. So lets get past that, and realize there's som…

>there's evidence they were made

Is there? Everyone is overlooking the possibility that these 'crafts' are the aliens. They need not even be intelligent. If something evolved to overcome gravitation it would make sense that it did so in an environment where this was necessary for survival. What we think of as advanced technology might, in the context of living near a black hole, simply be the equivalent of evolving a first primitive method of propulsion, like a fin.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by science4sail »

swebs wrote: post #73
swader999 wrote: post #47

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"Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US government." Feels like we are being primed for something new to be afraid of and give our treasure to in defense of. Aliens being non-peaceful fails so many logic tests though. I hope the script doesn't go that way.

>Aliens being non-peaceful fails so many logic tests though How so? Humans are capable of basic space travel already.

If an interstellar-capable species wanted to wipe out humanity, then they could easily bomb us with relativistic projectiles by throwing their trash at Earth.

If they still wanted the biosphere intact afterwards, then they could alternatively deploy a targeted anti-human bioweapon.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by bob33212 »

king_magic wrote: post #14

The NY Times Headline is much more informative and interesting: > U.S. Finds No Evidence of Alien Technology in Flying Objects, but Can’t Rule It Out, Either Sub header: > A new report concedes that much about the observed phenomena remains difficult to explain, including their acceleration, as well as ability to change direction and submerge. Those descriptions are a tectonic shift on the topic from the US governmen…

You can say the same thing about a strange noise I heard in my house last night. I can't say it was a ghost, but I also can't say it wasn't a ghost. Whoever wrote that report would agree with me.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by gfodor »

WalterBright wrote: post #184
tombert wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> After all, can't rule out astrology being true, either. It can (and has) actually. Whenever astrology has been tested, it has failed to hold any predictive properties. As such, it can be ruled out. You know this, because if you didn't then you wouldn't have used astrology as an example. > Do you think this merits credulous attention from "serious" news media? "Merits" is a loaded term and I don't think either of us…

> it has failed to hold any predictive properties And so has the UFOs are aliens theory. CNN isn't just reporting it, they're reporting it as credible . In fact, a "sizable chunk of the public" being interested in this is precisely because CNN (and some others) are reporting it as credible. Welcome to CNN creating news, not just reporting it.

You do realize that CNN has been ridiculing this stuff for its entire history, right? This isn't really a "fake news" type of situation, since arguably the fake news was the ridicule.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by superfist »

hliyan wrote: post #103

Not all the observations are explainable. However, if you take away one observation -- the claims about high-g acceleration and supersonic flight -- the following seems to fit: battery powered drones with regular (possibly quad) rotors, sea-launched (possibly from vessels disguised as merchant vessels) by a foreign power to observe US military. This would explain: FLIR footage and close range radar, but no contact on…

It is hard for me to believe that modern radar systems would have any problems with tracking such drones. And one of the bizarre features of those UAP is that they appear and disappear from radar system suddenly so it is impossible to track their origin or final destination.

Re: No evidence UFOs are alien craft, unclassified US intelligence report to reveal

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Post by tombert »

WalterBright wrote: post #184
tombert wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> After all, can't rule out astrology being true, either. It can (and has) actually. Whenever astrology has been tested, it has failed to hold any predictive properties. As such, it can be ruled out. You know this, because if you didn't then you wouldn't have used astrology as an example. > Do you think this merits credulous attention from "serious" news media? "Merits" is a loaded term and I don't think either of us…

> it has failed to hold any predictive properties And so has the UFOs are aliens theory. CNN isn't just reporting it, they're reporting it as credible . In fact, a "sizable chunk of the public" being interested in this is precisely because CNN (and some others) are reporting it as credible. Welcome to CNN creating news, not just reporting it.

Again, and I don't mean to be patronizing but this really should not be confusing, it's the source of the data.

Is CNN irresponsible for presenting it as credible? I mean, I don't know, maybe, but the source isn't a quack from Twitter, it's congress and the military. What is CNN supposed to do, title their headline as "A bunch of bozos in the military think aliens are real LOLOLOL!!!!"?

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