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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by tpmx »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #52
falcolas wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the outsized effect of flags in comparison to upvotes, I’m of the opinion that Chinese national HN members, and some subset of “no politics evar” crowd is more than enough to flag these to just shy of being dead.

I'm a member of “no politics evar” crowd, but I feel like both deliberate digital censorship AND artificial tweaks to search results are valid topics. I hope this was the result of a rogue actor rather than a corporate decision.

I just hope they don't say it was just a mistake ("glitch") that has now been fixed, like:

"Because of a mistake a configuration change meant for some only some regions was also applied to Bing US. This has now been fixed." (To be clear, I just made this up.)

Edit: https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-bing-raises-con...

Actual quote: Microsoft said the issue was "due to an accidental human error and we are actively working to resolve this."

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by kragen »

joemi wrote: post #132
kragen wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

The implications of what you said sound kind of racist to me. I suspect that's why you seem to have been downvoted.

I definitely do not support excluding or discriminating against Chinese users, a practice which is a big problem on HN. I'm just saying that, just as a significant subset of USA users are likely to flag posts that encourage people to burn American flags or claim that the USA is a "white-supremacist state", and a significant subset of Muslim users are likely to flag posts that criticize Muhammad, there's a significant subset of Chinese users who are likely to flag posts that criticize the Chinese Communist Party, even if it's implicit criticism by way of calling attention to particular historical events that its opponents commonly use as rallying points.

My recent comments on China include:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27162262 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27162354 criticizing another user for an essentialist oversimplified view of Chinese history.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27161925 criticizing the US for "aggressively escalating the TSMC conflict with targeted attacks on the PRC's nuclear and supercomputing capabilities".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26937581 criticizing coverage of China in the UK press for systematically discounting the sizes of urbanizations in China.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26930408 tracing the history of Wuxi through three millennia and criticizing its frankly racist dismissal in the UK press.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26931665 arguing that Chinese contributions to photovoltaic energy development are huge.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26676997 pointing out that China's vaccination efforts against covid have been head and shoulders above those in the US and Europe.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26598814 correcting someone who argued that China was merely the source of key materials for photovoltaic energy.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26542286 pointing out that the UK's covid-testing regime has been pathetically poor compared to China's.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by tschwimmer »

dang wrote: post #72
kian wrote: post #45

@dang, I think we need an explanation for why Tank Man-related content on Hacker News has been disappearing all day. I usually trust HN to be a bastion of free speech, and if there isn't some kind of proportionate response here, I don't believe myself or many others here will be able to see it that way going forward. EDIT: Thank you for your response, dang. Hacker News is a special place, which is why we have respond…

This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

Somewhat refreshing to see the normally mild-mannered dang show a flash of annoyance at conspiratorial thinking for once.

Thanks for your consistently even-handed and dedicated moderation efforts sir.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by kragen »

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #145
kragen wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

"we" doesn't include the users. The users don't operate hacker news. They have an effect on it but it's not top-down censorship which is what's being implied here.

The users certainly have influence over how dang operates the site!

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by ggggtez »

michaelmrose wrote: post #31
wait_a_minute wrote: post #15

This needs to be upvoted to the top so that we get some answers as to why this well-known history is not searchable via such a major tech company’s search functionality. It’s the top result via Google, why is Bing so bad at this?

To be fair a search of tank man on bing does have results including pictures. For some reason the same imagines that appear on the main search results page don't show up on the image results tab.

It's because the search query is blocked.

I think the more surprising thing is that it only effects the Image search results, and not the web search results.

I checked the Video results, and Videos also appear blocked.

It's possible that Image and Video search utilize the same word-filter list, and for some reason web-searches use a different list.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by emodendroket »

nbardy wrote: post #90
dang wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

We were told the same thing about the lab leak theory from: Social media companies, Mainstream media, and the government. The reason for distrust is valid. We live in an age of rapidly increasing censorship and the CCPs growing reach of control in American discourse. Skepticism is becoming the default for very real reasons.

The reality is just the opposite. Even a cursory examination of the news will show a torrent of anti-China coverage (and attendant changes in public sentiment toward China) which just happens to coincide with a US campaign to "confront China" in "great-power conflict." The idea that China is controlling this discourse is risible.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by mediaman »

jostmey wrote: post #154

Same for duckduckgo. duckduckgo is blocking images of tank man during the Tiananmen square massacre

Just checked - you're right!

At first I thought it was because safe search was enabled, but disabling it gives the same results (zero).

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tank+man&t=h_&iar=images&iax=image...

Their regular web search shows no evident censorship though. Why is this? Does DuckDuckGo rely on a third party for image search that is itself censoring results?

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by detaro »

mediaman wrote: post #168
jostmey wrote: post #154

Same for duckduckgo. duckduckgo is blocking images of tank man during the Tiananmen square massacre

Just checked - you're right! At first I thought it was because safe search was enabled, but disabling it gives the same results (zero). https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tank+man&t=h_&iar=images&iax=image... Their regular web search shows no evident censorship though. Why is this? Does DuckDuckGo rely on a third party for image search that is itself censoring results?

Both are primarily based on Bing, at least for western markets.
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