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When six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months (2020)

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Re: When six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months (2020)

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Post by gadf »

egypturnash wrote: post #179
gadf wrote: post #105

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Anything to do with goodreads becomes toxic. I think that's because the types of people who read and opine about books to the extent they feel compelled to blog/review on gr, are also likely to be the types of people who brook no dissent to their opinions, neither of authors, books nor the things they make them mean. They're independent, self-trusting, artistic thinkers (in the manner of Nietzsche), and the act of en…

I am looking at your comment history here and I suspect that the case is more that anything to do with you becomes toxic; I see multiple instances of you insulting people, then insisting that they’re the ones hurling abuse and arguing in bad faith when they protest.

it's great for me that you've contributed your energy now to this, even though your words are not very nice, and incorrect. I suppose you saw me standing up to a bully sand you just couldn't stand that, preferring bullying to be met with silence and submission. Or maybe it was you got triggered about the Goodreads criticism. Maybe both. By the way the only thing toxic here is you. Pretending people should be silent in the face of bullies. And the only thing bad faith is your biased and self-serving black as white rewriting of my comment history. It seems you've proved my point as you're someone rushing to the defense of toxic behavior on Goodreads and you're also someone who tries to attack people and pretend they're toxic because you disagree with them. Maybe you experience disagreement and standing up against bullies as toxic. Makes sense for a bully like yourself. Sounds exactly like what I was describing. Tho your own hn main account seems squeaky clean beside the above, I bet if we went looking we'd see evidence of abusive and toxic behavior, maybe in your small town community the way you bitch and gossip about people or maybe you've got an account on Goodreads.

It must be hard to scrape out a living especially with all that talent I mean I see where you're coming from. But it's quite sad isn't it to be embittered and feel you should have got so much more ... by now. I get why you'd feel you need to seek these little consolations I just hope that in future you could seek them without trying to harm or abuse others. well you must be bully. you frame in a completely backwards self-serving way my response to bullying bheaviour. showing you just want people to get abused and be silent, if it's you doing the abuse. nice work, bully. a biased self-serving reading, from someone triggerd by a goodreads critique, married with non-sequitur abusie langauge? girl, oh girl, how surprising. further triggered by good reads, thanks proving my point. clearly you brook no dissent to your little despotic opinions, now that i disagree with you you pretend i'm toxic. the only bad faith here is that biased reading of yours, and the only toxicity is from you, everything you touch must be like that, no matter how talented you are, because of your willingness to bully and attack and abuse others simply because they disagree with you, while pretending you're not doing so. I forgive you.

Re: When six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months (2020)

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Post by wkearney99 »

gadf wrote: post #201
egypturnash wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am looking at your comment history here and I suspect that the case is more that anything to do with you becomes toxic; I see multiple instances of you insulting people, then insisting that they’re the ones hurling abuse and arguing in bad faith when they protest.

it's great for me that you've contributed your energy now to this, even though your words are not very nice, and incorrect. I suppose you saw me standing up to a bully sand you just couldn't stand that, preferring bullying to be met with silence and submission. Or maybe it was you got triggered about the Goodreads criticism. Maybe both. By the way the only thing toxic here is you. Pretending people should be silent i…

wow, egypturnash was spot-on with that observation. You're toxic. Long-winded and clearly fairly intelligent, but toxic nonetheless.

Re: When six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months (2020)

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Post by lelanthran »

garmaine wrote: post #68
DavidSJ wrote: post #36

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High school English class was like this for me too. It was usually obvious what my teacher wanted students to say but it just seemed all so contrived and I couldn’t bring myself to participate in the silliness. On my report card she once wrote, “stubbornly sticks to his opinions even when wrong”. One day, for fun, I tried out saying what I thought she wanted to hear. I got a lot of praise from her that day.

Blow up that report card and frame it on your wall. That's high praise.

> Blow up that report card and frame it on your wall. That's high praise.

Yeah, he can put it next to his membership acceptance letter from the flat earth society.

(What makes you think his teacher wasn't onto something there?)

Re: When six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months (2020)

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Post by bluGill »

7952 wrote: post #200
bluGill wrote: post #146

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That is a point of a village as opposed to living in separate farmsteads. (there are other points to villages, but putting a group of people together is an automatic form of defense)

Don't underestimate just how many people are needed to defend a village. A village has a lot of land to defend and not many people to do it. The local town or city sized group will just pitch up with many more men and overrun you. All whilst having enough people left for defence. And they are likely to have more access to heavy weapons that can blow your house up from a distance.

Nations will overrun villages, but a city alone doesn't. Cities need villages to provide food, so a city never goes to war - it is instead the nation, headed by the city but also including all the villages.

Re: When six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months (2020)

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Post by bluGill »

dalbasal wrote: post #180
bluGill wrote: post #146

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That is a point of a village as opposed to living in separate farmsteads. (there are other points to villages, but putting a group of people together is an automatic form of defense)

Historically, this doesn't seem to be true. Villages appear long before defensive fortifications in the record, in many cases. Pure reason is not very good at forming predictive theories about history, as a general rule. There are many possible reasons for villages, and cultural reasons are a very big determinant of how people live. So are economic reasons. Many of us live in big cities now, and it's generally less s…

Just having a number of people living together is protection even before fortification. Your point is well taken though.

Re: When six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months (2020)

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Post by david422 »

rossdavidh wrote: post #4

It's not quite as simple as "it works like 'Lord of the Flies' or it doesn't". Nicholas Christakis, in his book "Blueprint", devotes a chapter to a database that he and his grad students made of shipwrecks, where the survivors lived long enough, in enough isolation, that they had to more or less put together a temporary society. There were lots of cases where they turned on each other, and lots of cases where they di…

The first review is by Bill Gates "Why do I love my wife, Melinda?"

That didn't age well.

Re: When six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months (2020)

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #196
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #186

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There's a difference between children painting Polynesian-looking tattoos on themselves because they think they're cool, and a multinational corporation exploiting whatever fragments of culture seem profitable, and wallpapering “Disney magic” over the rest. Imagine the uproar if Disney made a film about Christian culture – maybe some story about St Paul going on a quest to slay a dragon using Jesus Cant (the tongue o…

I do have a problem with movie merchandise in general for being cheaply made plastic garbage, I just don't think there's anything more egregious about the Maui costume than anything else. And Christians already have the market cornered with tacky Body-of-Crist merch in the form of Mass play sets. If you ask me the Orthodox have the right idea, just give the kids the real Holy Communion from the moment they're baptise…

I've heard criticism of Maui (e.g. being fat, which apparently is a stereotype), but as Disney goes, I think Moana the film was pretty respectful.

But Disney seems to think “we made a film of this” entitles them to Intellectual Property ownership of all the concepts the film covers.

Re: When six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months (2020)

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Post by bernawil »

simiones wrote: post #174
esyir wrote: post #143

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Which is also the primal instinct that allows for tribalism, which is really important when the other tribe is competing for a scarce resource. Humans are social creatures, but not social with the entire world.

Tribalism is generally closed, but not automatically antagonistic with other tribes. In contexts where there is no forced competition, tribes rarely fight. The modern view is that most likely hunter-gatherer societies, which didn't have fixed lands and had no general reason to be territorial, had little warfare. It is only with agricultural societies, where competition for land becomes a factor, that we start finding…

Hunter gatherer societies fought all the time for control of hunting grounds.

What's interesting it's that researchers that lived with the Yanomami and other Amazonian peoples noted that most inter tribal conflicts weren't about competition for food sources-that was rather plenty- but instead for women. In polygamous societies, high status males acquired many wives and young males frequently kidnapped neighboring tribe's women which sparked constant retaliatory raids.

Re: When six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months (2020)

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Post by egypturnash »

gadf wrote: post #201
egypturnash wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am looking at your comment history here and I suspect that the case is more that anything to do with you becomes toxic; I see multiple instances of you insulting people, then insisting that they’re the ones hurling abuse and arguing in bad faith when they protest.

it's great for me that you've contributed your energy now to this, even though your words are not very nice, and incorrect. I suppose you saw me standing up to a bully sand you just couldn't stand that, preferring bullying to be met with silence and submission. Or maybe it was you got triggered about the Goodreads criticism. Maybe both. By the way the only thing toxic here is you. Pretending people should be silent i…

Damn, dude, that sure is a lot of your standard boilerplate “me toxic? no u” behavior. How far back in my comment history here did you go looking for stuff to try and piss me off with?

Re: When six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months (2020)

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Post by tutivillusrex »

gadf wrote: post #105
lrem wrote: post #84

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This review is obviously high effort. What's the incentive here? Is this what the community regularly does in Goodreads? Or are you somehow affiliated with the author and treat this as a favour?

Anything to do with goodreads becomes toxic. I think that's because the types of people who read and opine about books to the extent they feel compelled to blog/review on gr, are also likely to be the types of people who brook no dissent to their opinions, neither of authors, books nor the things they make them mean. They're independent, self-trusting, artistic thinkers (in the manner of Nietzsche), and the act of en…

God, you're a conceited nutter.
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