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Re: An Unbelievable Demo

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Post by jessaustin » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:39 PM UTC

gpm wrote: post #354

oefrha wrote: post #349

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> Yes. Making copies internally is also copyright infringement... No, GPL FAQ specifically addresses internal distribution: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#InternalDistributi... > Is making and using multiple copies within one organization or company “distribution”? > No, in that case the organization is just making the copies for itself. As a consequence, a company or other organization can develop a modif…

> No, GPL FAQ specifically addresses internal distribution Which couldn't be more irrelevant, because a) This software doesn't appear to be licensed under the GPL. b) The question here is not whether or not it's distribution, it's if it's copyright infringement. Making copies of copyrighted material is illegal (up to fair use and licenses) regardless of whether or not you distribute them. c) The GPL also requires you…

IANAL, but in what sense is a copy that isn't distributed a copy at all?

Re: An Unbelievable Demo

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Post by cperciva » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:40 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #375

cperciva wrote: post #345

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I think you're giving cperciva too much credit. He was just as arrogant as people thought, and he was definitely defensive.

But does he refer to himself in the third-person? That's the pinnacle of arrogance.

cperciva rarely refers to himself in the third person, but it does occasionally happen.

More often, we refer to ourselves in the first person plural.

Re: An Unbelievable Demo

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Post by jlkuester7 » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:44 PM UTC

Recently I was struggling to understand MotionLayout in Android and how to make it do what I wanted for my app. I had searched all over the internet reading blogs and forum posts trying to figure out what I was doing wrong. I ended up watching one particularly helpful presentation video (I think it was from a DroidCon) given by this guy named Jason Pearson. It helped a lot, (watched various parts of the presentation multiple times) but eventually I still got myself stuck again. I ended up dropping a question out on StackOverflow in desperation just to see if anyone might be able to point me in the right direction. Well, fast forward a bit and someone responds to my question with a really great answer that helps me understand what I was missing. Happened to look at the user who wrote the answer and saw his name was Jason Pearson... Then I had to double-check and sure enough, it was the same guy!

So, shout out to Mr. Pearson for a great presentation and a really helpful SO answer!

Re: An Unbelievable Demo

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Post by gpm » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:51 PM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #391

gpm wrote: post #354

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> No, GPL FAQ specifically addresses internal distribution Which couldn't be more irrelevant, because a) This software doesn't appear to be licensed under the GPL. b) The question here is not whether or not it's distribution, it's if it's copyright infringement. Making copies of copyrighted material is illegal (up to fair use and licenses) regardless of whether or not you distribute them. c) The GPL also requires you…

IANAL, but in what sense is a copy that isn't distributed a copy at all?

In the sense that previously one computer was running the software at a time, and now 1000 computers are running it because I copied it onto all of their disks/memory banks/CPUs.

I still control all 1000 computers, but I'm doing something I fundamentally cannot do with a single copy.

The question is a bit murky, not because it's unclear I'm making copies, but because some copying is fair use. For example to execute a program I need to copy it from the hard drive to ram, and (pieces of it) from the ram to the CPU. That's generally considered to be legal, despite being copying, approximately because it's necessary to use the program. The exact line here is not well defined.

(Also not a lawyer, just a nerd)

Re: An Unbelievable Demo

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Post by knolan » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

stdbrouw wrote: post #214

knolan wrote: post #196

My stories are very minor. I did my PhD in a reasonably well regarded mechanical engineering lab. My area is experimental fluid mechanics. I ended up writing a lot of Matlab code while there and even worked with a spin out company from the lab in the biotech sector for a while. I'd get a lot of other students coming to me for coding help. Most just wanted me to do their job for them and I was too naive to say no. One…

> I'd get a lot of other students coming to me for coding help. Most just wanted me to do their job for them and I was too naive to say no. One wanted to count cells in a microfluidic device using image processing. I sat down with them for a couple of hours and walked them through a few methods they could look into to get started collecting all the examples in a script. Basic stuff so they wouldn't feel overwhelmed.…

I’ve checked the paper again and there is also some basic CFD analysis performed by a third author.

He had some sample images he had taken and I used them to demonstrate the basic code. The figures in the paper are the ones I generated in my sample code.

Re: An Unbelievable Demo

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Post by naikrovek » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

rurban wrote: post #341

brendangregg wrote: post #149

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No, it wasn't, I don't even remember the VIP's name. Met him that once and never heard of him again.

Thanks. Not a VIP then

lol that's a very weird take.

there were many people inside Sun that were not Bryan Cantrill. In fact, almost all of them were not Bryan Cantrill. But there can only be one VIP and it can only be Bryan?

Re: An Unbelievable Demo

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Post by jessaustin » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:57 PM UTC

na85 wrote: post #17

As much as I think RMS himself is an utter embarrassment of a human being, stories like this are why I also believe the GPL is one of the most important contributions to computing, ever. MIT/BSD-style licenses are practically begging large billion-dollar corporations to rip off your work wholesale and use it to generate profits while contributing only the occasional patch or two. I used to see this phenomenon on HN,…

RMS is not the one embarrassed by your comment.

Re: An Unbelievable Demo

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Post by apendleton » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 6:57 PM UTC

jclulow wrote: post #139

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #103

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> I am not sure what should be the appropriate reaction or corrective measure in these situations. We should talk more about handling these unfair situations. Start recording; have them, a big multinational with a massive legal department, admit to violating and stripping a license from source code. Then sue them. They should know better, and they're making billions off of other people's work. That in itself is fair…

Be extremely careful recording conversations without consent in the US.

Most jurisdictions in the US are one-party-consent. I think the tech crowd tends to have a skewed perception of recording consent rules because California happens to be one of the relatively few two-party-consent states, but it's the exception rather than the rule.

Re: An Unbelievable Demo

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Post by kbelder » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 7:04 PM UTC

nix23 wrote: post #292

steego wrote: post #251

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Check the laws first. Some places only require one party (you the recorder) to consent.

>Some places only require one party (you the recorder) to consent Some places...nord Korea? You the recorder have to consent?? I consent to myself that i record others without their knowledge?

Oregon.

Re: An Unbelievable Demo

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Post by kodeninja » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 7:06 PM UTC

irrational wrote: post #55

> a heavy American accent Any non-Americans want to chime in on what is a heavy American accent? I’m imagining heavy southern accent, but maybe this is something that can only be heard by non-Americans?

Like pronouncing "and" as "eeyaand".