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The lab-leak theory: inside the fight to uncover Covid-19’s origins

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Re: The lab-leak theory: inside the fight to uncover Covid-19’s origins

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Post by peter422 »

bartart wrote: post #2

This is the most shocking article I have ever read in my life. I'd ask everyone to please read it because it is incredible. One thing I did not realize is that US researchers who conducted gain of function research tried to downplay and discredit the possibility of the virus originating from the wuhan lab. There was an anti-lab theory Lancet statement signed by scientists, and "Daszak had not only signed but organize…

I’ve never heard of 2-3 people getting sick before in a large organization. That sounds like a smoking gun.

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Post by 542458 »

tpfour wrote: post #13

Anybody who has ever worked in a wet lab, or a lab of any sort, knows that accidents happen. All the time. Things catch fire, things are dropped, labeling issues happen, anything you can think of. I worked for many years in a lab, the accidental leak hypothesis was and still is what I consider the most probable. Calculate the joint probability of everything we know about the origin of SARS-CoV-2 happening and it shou…

What makes lab leak more probable than cross species transfer, something that happens all the time?

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Post by peter422 »

tpfour wrote: post #20
bartart wrote: post #2

This is the most shocking article I have ever read in my life. I'd ask everyone to please read it because it is incredible. One thing I did not realize is that US researchers who conducted gain of function research tried to downplay and discredit the possibility of the virus originating from the wuhan lab. There was an anti-lab theory Lancet statement signed by scientists, and "Daszak had not only signed but organize…

The calculation is simple and could have been made in early 2020. What's the joint probability of occurrence given everything you know about the origins of SARS-CoV-2? There is _very_ high probability that this is just a human error.

Was every other emerging virus also created in a lab? SARS? MERS? Influenza? Polio?

The highest probability is this virus originated like every other virus in history.

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Post by JPKab »

henearkr wrote: post #17
m0llusk wrote: post #8

This is silly. The lab leak hypothesis was never off limits, it was ridiculed because it had little evidence and was based on political things are different this time thinking. Finding viral origins is never a fight, it is hard work requiring detailed research. Both SARS and MERS are good comparisons and took around three years to fully understand. The lab leak theory is popular because of politics and ignoring the d…

Agree totally. I'd add that, while China is ready to help and take part in the global fight against the covid, a finger-pointing shaming war against them would probably (as it already did several times) trigger the very Asian reaction of counter-fighting to not lose face, and stopping any constructive cooperation.

Sorry, but the CCP hid this from the beginning. It's not Asian culture, it's authoritarian governments always needing to appear infallible. Same as Chernobyl. They were arresting doctors in December 2019, internally, for raising the alarm.

The greatest enemy of the Chinese people is the regime running their country, the one that 91 percent of them have zero say in.

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Post by refurb »

m0llusk wrote: post #8

This is silly. The lab leak hypothesis was never off limits, it was ridiculed because it had little evidence and was based on political things are different this time thinking. Finding viral origins is never a fight, it is hard work requiring detailed research. Both SARS and MERS are good comparisons and took around three years to fully understand. The lab leak theory is popular because of politics and ignoring the d…

I’m not sure if you realize you’re guilty of the same error you’re claiming others are making - you’re letting politics drive your beliefs, not facts.

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Post by yumraj »

peter422 wrote: post #25
tpfour wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The calculation is simple and could have been made in early 2020. What's the joint probability of occurrence given everything you know about the origins of SARS-CoV-2? There is _very_ high probability that this is just a human error.

Was every other emerging virus also created in a lab? SARS? MERS? Influenza? Polio? The highest probability is this virus originated like every other virus in history.

Did any of them originate a few miles from a pathogen research lab that handled such pathogen that caused those outbreaks?

Re: The lab-leak theory: inside the fight to uncover Covid-19’s origins

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Post by xwolfi »

mmcgaha wrote: post #4

If anything good can come of this, I hope some of the folks who trusted the science begins to realize that people are behind science and people often act in their own best interest. Not that it will change much but we can at least stop yelling down and shaming skeptics.

"the science" we need to trust is to say "I don't know but am investigating".

What people want to trust in science is just this behaviour, not that "scientists can be evil and conspire together with China to hide that they make mistakes sometimes". The "skeptics" you refer to, sometimes are not so interested in investigating but more in pushing anti-science agenda, for instance religious, or nationalist.

But if people who wanted to know got shamed by religious who told them that it cannot be the Wuhan lab, then that's wrong :D

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