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Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by nradov »

acituan wrote: post #827
andrei_says_ wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.” And hey, great news, now we have every line written by every man, woman and child automatically captured and archived forever in an easy to search dossier. Someone who wrote a racist or anti-Semitic comment in 2007 could have evolved to deeper understanding and to a more compassionate worldview…

> Someone who wrote a racist or anti-Semitic comment in 2007 could have evolved to deeper understanding and to a more compassionate worldview. But the writing remains forever, conveniently accessible. Not all writing is equal. There is a difference between let's say a tweet that was sent in during a flamewar versus a personal blog post that has been penned in the past and stayed published until today. The function of…

You're inventing an arbitrary difference where none exists. Twitter is literally a microblogging platform. There is no legal or moral difference between a Tweet versus a post on a different blogging platform such as Medium.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by idiotsecant »

I was expecting the typical criticism of Israeli government = antisemitism junk but that's definitely not what this was. It's not like the guy wrote this in the 50s. It was obviously a little eye-raising in 2007 as well. I think Google made the right call here.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by PoignardAzur »

acituan wrote: post #827
andrei_says_ wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.” And hey, great news, now we have every line written by every man, woman and child automatically captured and archived forever in an easy to search dossier. Someone who wrote a racist or anti-Semitic comment in 2007 could have evolved to deeper understanding and to a more compassionate worldview…

> Someone who wrote a racist or anti-Semitic comment in 2007 could have evolved to deeper understanding and to a more compassionate worldview. But the writing remains forever, conveniently accessible. Not all writing is equal. There is a difference between let's say a tweet that was sent in during a flamewar versus a personal blog post that has been penned in the past and stayed published until today. The function of…

> All we have is other people apologizing on their behalf with speculative redemption

Yup, I'm a little disturbed that people jump to defending him to a degree that borders on reinterpreting history.

Eg:

> Someone who wrote a racist or anti-Semitic comment in 2007 could have evolved to deeper understanding

Ok. Is there any evidence this specific person did? Did he apologize? Did his public writing change substantially since then?

It's not like this is an embarrassing photo taken during a party the guy had forgotten about. I have trouble imagining how someone could be hired as head of diversity for Google and forget that they published a screed about how jews should confront their appetite for war or whatever.

If the only information you have about this person is this, your first reaction should not be to find excuses to dismiss the information; or if it is, you should at least look for additional information, instead of speculating about how maybe the person totally changed their mind and is totally being treated unfairly.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by 6foot4_82iq »

sm4rk0 wrote: post #764
olivermarks wrote: post #697

A major reason why today's politicians are so bland and uninspiring is because they have been groomed to never say anything controversial or contentious. Trawling through adults adolescence photos and shaming/blaming them for some youthful indiscretion is another aspect of this societal disaster. The anti war candidate Tulsi Gabbard in the recent US election is an example of someone relentlessly ridiculed and destroy…

And if there was a referendum: "Political correctness should be dismantled", I guess most people would vote "Hell yeah!". So much for democracy.

The most intolerant wins.

> It suffices for an intransigent minority –a certain type of intransigent minorities –to reach a minutely small level, say three or four percent of the total population, for the entire population to have to submit to their preferences.

> Further, an optical illusion comes with the dominance of the minority: a naive observer would be under the impression that the choices and preferences are those of the majority.

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by bradlys »

bushbaba wrote: post #289
paganel wrote: post #241

Israel, which defines itself as a Jewish state, is one of the most militaristic states in the world. So in fact we do know that the only present Jewish state has a “propensity for war”, not sure how this is seen as controversial. Of course, I think pretty much the same thing about the US government and about its citizens, the Americans, after all they’re the ones supporting said militaristic propensity.

It’s surrounded by countries who tried to kill all Israelis be them Jewish or Arab multiple times. It’s next door to hamas which stones to death gays. Yeah it has a strong military to ensure it the security of its citizens.

Ah, yes, because Israel doesn't bomb schools, hospitals, or libraries... Damn hamas and their stones! Why can't they be more advanced with their killings like the Israelis and just level entire buildings full of children?

What's the body count on Israeli children killed by hamas vs Israel killing Palestinian children? I'm pretty sure it's lopsided.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by PoignardAzur »

nradov wrote: post #891
acituan wrote: post #827

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Someone who wrote a racist or anti-Semitic comment in 2007 could have evolved to deeper understanding and to a more compassionate worldview. But the writing remains forever, conveniently accessible. Not all writing is equal. There is a difference between let's say a tweet that was sent in during a flamewar versus a personal blog post that has been penned in the past and stayed published until today. The function of…

You're inventing an arbitrary difference where none exists. Twitter is literally a microblogging platform. There is no legal or moral difference between a Tweet versus a post on a different blogging platform such as Medium.

The "micro" part does a lot of heavy lifting here. The difference is in effort made per post.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by sverona »

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #871
fwip wrote: post #869

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you point me to the paragraph in question? I've read the article a few times now, and I don't see A) anyone described as anti-racist or B) anything saying people who do racist things cannot grow.

Sorry! Somehow I managed to paste completely the wrong link, and now it is too late for me to edit my previous comment. I realise now that scrolling down on that website automatically loads new articles and updates the address bar. Here[0] is the article I had meant to link to. Ah man… I really feel bad that you read the wrong article a few times after I unwittingly mislead you. I'm genuinely sorry about that. [0]: h…

> Robin DiAngelo

I'm going to have to start asking for better sources on antiracism than a white woman who makes a career out of corporate "diversity training." Like, of course that's her entire thesis.

White fragility is a very useful concept, for sure. But the way DiAngelo uses it seems to be more focused on making white people hem and haw and feel guilty for even trying instead of doing mutual aid, reading theory, forming community, anything actually helpful or useful.

If I wanted to set up a strawman, that's exactly what I'd do.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by ryantgtg »

thu2111 wrote: post #810
yownie wrote: post #790

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which begs the question, how does one go from that blog post to a diversity officer at one of the most famous Corporations in the world?

But this is all very consistent. Most people noticed many years ago that the people who most loudly claim to be fighting racism are always huge racists themselves. This is so common, and so obvious, the only reason it's attracting attention at all is because somewhat unusually it's Jews who are the target today, instead of white men. If the same quote about war had been made with white men instead of Jews nobody at G…

In case anyone is confused by this person’s definition of racism, I enjoyed this description of the essential impossibility of “racism against whites,”[1] as well as this Sociology of Racism[2].

[1]: https://www.dailydot.com/irl/racism-against-white-people-doe...

[2]: https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/matthewclair/files/clair_d...

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by silly-silly »

chefkoch wrote: post #854
throwaway2162 wrote: post #690

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>AFAIK, he wasn't “global head of diversity” for any organization when he wrote it, but only many years later. He was literally a founding senior director for "equity in computing" at Georgia Tech and was a national strategy advisor to the Obama administration for bringing "equity and justice" to STEM (when he wrote this blog post). Please update your post as you're spreading FUD. >AFAIK, he wasn't “global head of di…

>was a national strategy advisor to the Obama administration for bringing "equity and justice" to STEM (when he wrote this blog post). Obama was in Office 2007?

I loved that version of office.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by threatofrain »

HPsquared wrote: post #631
andrei_says_ wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.” And hey, great news, now we have every line written by every man, woman and child automatically captured and archived forever in an easy to search dossier. Someone who wrote a racist or anti-Semitic comment in 2007 could have evolved to deeper understanding and to a more compassionate worldview…

This is why anonymity is so important on the internet.

More like a proper social response to bad behavior. We can't keep hiding from the truth, especially when we live in an interconnected world where other people don't have to agree to forget.
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