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Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by oh_sigh » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 4:18 PM UTC

germinalphrase wrote: post #386

koheripbal wrote: post #353

His bigotry goes beyond anti-semitism. Kamau Bobb's blog posts were almost exclusively about White and Jewish people, as a whole, and their mistreatment of Black Americans both historically and today. He even targets progressive white people for their more unspoken racism. There is a very obvious tone of distaste for white and Jewish people in his posts. Search for the word "white" or "Jew" in his blog [1] posts to s…

Do you believe the acknowledgement of race or racial difference to be intrinsically bigoted?

Do you believe white people kill black people with impunity in America?

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 4:18 PM UTC

joejoeshabadoo5 wrote: post #463

megamindbrian2 wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you people ever met a Jew? They literally idolized "never again" which is what this guy's is talking about. They literally live by the principal that this guy was removed from his position over. And questioning any Jewish philosophy is labeled anti-Semitic and condemned. Write a story about being "God's chosen people" doesn't make you righteous, it just makes you last to do it.

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Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by thereare5lights » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 4:18 PM UTC

throw1103 wrote: post #85

anm89 wrote: post #12

This is the only instance relating to offensive social media I've ever heard of where someone got reassigned and not fired

Should you really be fired for things you said 13 years ago? Also we didn't see the entire context..

Those are the rules the cancel mob came up with.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by thereare5lights » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 4:19 PM UTC

Redoubts wrote: post #413

busterarm wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was one of the most heinous, blatantly bigoted screeds I'd read in quite a long time. There isn't anything defensible about it.

Does mild criticism shake you to your core, or something?

Blatant stereotyping of a people is not mild criticism.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by dgb23 » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 4:19 PM UTC

germinalphrase wrote: post #386

koheripbal wrote: post #353

His bigotry goes beyond anti-semitism. Kamau Bobb's blog posts were almost exclusively about White and Jewish people, as a whole, and their mistreatment of Black Americans both historically and today. He even targets progressive white people for their more unspoken racism. There is a very obvious tone of distaste for white and Jewish people in his posts. Search for the word "white" or "Jew" in his blog [1] posts to s…

Do you believe the acknowledgement of race or racial difference to be intrinsically bigoted?

My intuition from reading these quotes is that this person spent a lot of time thinking about socioeconomic differences in relation to race[0], so they see things through that lens. It can come off as hostile, but the more generous interpretation that they simply emphasize this theme.

[0] I dislike the term "race" in these contexts. In biological terms there is only one human race currently alive as far as we know. Every time I read or use it I feel like the pseudosciences such as social darwinists have won.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by joelbluminator » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 4:19 PM UTC

dalbasal wrote: post #115

bitcharmer wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People can be critical of the state of Israel Sadly the moment you call out Israel's human rights violations and ethnic cleansing you get automatically branded as antisemitic on all major social media and by most mainstream outlets too.

There is a lot of disingenuous stuff to go around, in all directions. Antisemitism, antizionism and anti Israel sentiments relating to current events are distinct in purely theoretical terms. One does not imply the other and they often are distinct in practice. IRL though, they're very often intermingled. The banal example is the PNA president's doctoral thesis, that the holocaust was faked to justify zionism. Most I…

> The vast majority of Israelis (myself included) do not suspect antisemitic motives in Palestinians

Speak for yourself, I'm Israeli as well and most Israelis don't agree with you. There is antisemitism among Palestinians and there is Islamophobia among Israelis (though to a lesser degree in my opinion), wishing it away won't make it go away

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by f38zf5vdt » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 4:20 PM UTC

world_peace42 wrote: post #465

koheripbal wrote: post #353

His bigotry goes beyond anti-semitism. Kamau Bobb's blog posts were almost exclusively about White and Jewish people, as a whole, and their mistreatment of Black Americans both historically and today. He even targets progressive white people for their more unspoken racism. There is a very obvious tone of distaste for white and Jewish people in his posts. Search for the word "white" or "Jew" in his blog [1] posts to s…

Cancel culture is not about canceling people who say racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc things. It is about canceling (read: disenfranchising and taking revenge on) straight white males, who are at the bottom (top? intersection? whichever) of the intersectional hierarchy. Kamau Bobb is not a white male, therefore this does not apply. He is receiving the same treatment that any powerful person, regardless of skin col…

What? This event seems to match the collectively assigned definition fine.

"Cancel culture or call-out culture is a modern form of ostracism in which someone is thrust out of social or professional circles – whether it be online, on social media, or in person. Those subject to this ostracism are said to have been "cancelled". The expression "cancel culture" has mostly negative connotations and is commonly used in debates on free speech and censorship.

The notion of cancel culture is a variant on the term call-out culture and constitutes a form of boycotting or shunning involving an individual (often a celebrity) who is deemed to have acted or spoken in a questionable or controversial manner." [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 4:20 PM UTC

oh_sigh wrote: post #481

germinalphrase wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe the acknowledgement of race or racial difference to be intrinsically bigoted?

Do you believe white people kill black people with impunity in America?

Less so today than they did before BLM highlighted the way they repeatedly did so.

EDIT: I mean, two people actually think the recent spate of prosecutions of white law enforcement officers for unjustified killings of blacks is because in the last few years American law enforcement officers have just become violently racist in ways they previously weren't, and not a change in accountability resulting from public attention to the issue?

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by bozzcl » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 4:20 PM UTC

agentofoblivion wrote: post #40

Only the purest of the pure can lead a diversity effort. And it doesn’t count unless you were pure from the beginning. Growing to overcome past problems is not sufficient.

Alternatively, you could just delete your social media accounts regularly to minimize your trail.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by haberman » Thu, Jun 03, 2021, 4:20 PM UTC

brianberns wrote: post #347

sanity31415 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They fired Damore for writing an email that was tone-deaf, insensitive, but largely supported by research Damore was asked for his feedback on Google's diversity policies, and that's exactly what he provided. Most of Damore's critics haven't actually read his memo[1], but rather formed an opinion based on the character assassination campaign against him, a campaign his employer publicly sided with. Over the 4 years…

He suggested that biological differences between the sexes (rather than bias/discrimination) are the reason why women are underrepresented in the tech industry. It’s not hard to understand why many people find this offensive. Here’s the direct quote if you need it: “I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences…

Damore's quote says "in part" and "may explain," suggesting the possibility of multiple causes, and making clear that there is uncertainty.

Your paraphrase says "the reason" and "rather than bias/descrimination", suggesting both certainty and only a single cause.

How do you reconcile this difference between your paraphrase and Damore's quote?