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Israel, which defines itself as a Jewish state, is one of the most militaristic states in the world. So in fact we do know that the only present Jewish state has a “propensity for war”, not sure how this is seen as controversial. Of course, I think pretty much the same thing about the US government and about its citizens, the Americans, after all they’re the ones supporting said militaristic propensity.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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People can be critical of the state of Israel, but they should not be antisemitic. Theoretically, I guess, but it's really strange how the one tiny country in the whole world that has a Jewish-dominated society is so often a target for complete destruction. Many of the same countries that have all but eliminated their own Jewish populations somehow find Israel's very existence to be unpalatable, going after them in t…

> Theoretically, I guess, but it's really strange how the one tiny country in the whole world that has a Jewish-dominated society is so often a target for complete destruction. Because it’s a colonial ethnostate, with massive support from the United States. Israel (the colonial ethnostate) should not exist. Palestine is not an ethnostate, it is the name for the multicultural, multi-ethnic state who rightfully control…

> colonial

A colony of what empire exactly? Jews were a group of massacred refugees.

> massive support from the United States

There is no massive support from the United States actually, at least not monetary. There is military help that is needed because Israel's enemies want to destroy it, still to this day. And it's not that big compared to Israel's gdp (4 billion to 400 gdp = 1%) and is completely meaningless to the U.S budget. The other support is vetoing U.N decisions that constantly target Israel. Which is needed for the same reason the military aid is needed.

> Israel (the colonial ethnostate) should not exist

Should the U.S exist? Last I checked California used to be part of Mexico - why isn't it being returned to it's rightful owners? How about West Europe? Maybe it should be dismantled and have all it's assets transferred to Africa? I've never heard anyone say stuff like that but when it comes to Israel sure let's destroy the evil ethno state.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Yes, there is an association and a Head of Diversity should be smart enough to not generalize based on this association; it's failure to satisfy the core requirement of the professional role.

Everyone should know 10 years in advance to write nuanced posts.

He didn't clean it up when starting in the role, he damaged the (employer) brand he was expected to protect/develop as part of his role, he got re-assigned to a different role, which is arguably a reasonable consequence.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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> Nothing he posted was offensive. > “If I were a Jew I would be concerned about my insatiable appetite for war and killing in defense of myself” How about that?

As I said, Israel conflates being a Jew with the state of Israel. And as such, people associate Israel with Judaism. That’s not offensive if it’s by design. You can’t have your cake and eat it to. Israel is an apartheid state.

Apartheid not by any definition that’s accepted broadly. israel just formed a coalition government with the Arab Israelis.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Replace jew with 'israeli' in every occurance. Who's fault is it that israel intentionally tried to muddy the water and make the word confusing? I don't see any anti-semitism here. I see here concern that israel does not care about the humanity of their neighbors.

He said Jew, not Israeli. He is intentional in the use as the entire article is about Jews and Israel. Also the person in question is not an idiot, he is a mature adult smart enough to work in stem at Google. Your argument essentially absolves any anti semitic statements / actions by blaming the Jews for it. This is exactly the definition of anti-semitism, and now I am speaking about your words, not his.

questioning the definition of anti semitism is anti semitic?

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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The left’s obsession with cancel culture and conducting archeological digs on past comments, tweets, etc is coming back to bite them. I think removing this guy was the right thing to do, BUT I also think a major company like Google needs to set an example: Something someone tweeted more than ten years ago should no longer be relevant and should be ignored. However until that standard is set as example by a major comp…

Both US parties try and "cancel" things they don't like. It's not related to one party or the other. [0] Also, "cancel culture" isn't some new concept. Humans have rebuked and ostracized each other forever.

[0] Or are we forgetting when people lost their minds about "happy holidays" and starbucks' cup design change? Or Colin Kaepernick? Etc. I don't see how anyone can say it's related to one political party in one country.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

#247
Live by the sword, die by the sword. That said, firing him, like they did with Damore would have been more consistent. Because everyone is under arbitration agreements that always benefit the company, vs the courts where you might have a shot at justice, they have no incentive to do that.

As repugnant as his past anti-semitic rant was, people change and sometimes say and do stupid things. In a sane world this guy would not have been removed from his position and Damore would not have been fired. Instead we could have had a conversation to win hearts and minds, but today it is all about getting scalps, witch hunts and over-reaction. What we are currently doing sends people underground which radicalizes them more.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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it’s really strange… You don’t think there’s anything about it’s recent creation that makes this a special case?

I don't think so. There's plenty of states with ongoing ethnic strife, and they do face a lot of deserved criticism. However I can't really recall popular, internationally supported calls for their abolition altogether. The age of state again has not much to with it: for example Lebanon is younger than Israel and has a rich history of ethnic/sectarian conflict. Now there must be people who want to abolish Lebanon, bu…

> for example Lebanon is younger than Israel

What people usually find particularly offensive is the de-facto annexation and settlement of territories that exceed the UN resolution that created the State of Israel, along with the complete imbalance in both military power and casualties of both sides. It's not just ethnic/sectarian conflict. In many aspects, it would qualify as genocide.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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it’s really strange… You don’t think there’s anything about it’s recent creation that makes this a special case?

Italy just celebrated the founding of its republic, which was in 1946...

So no state called "Italy" existed in more-or-less the same form before 1946?

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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So, it took some digging, but here is the text https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:luIscB... As you can see, it's a quite well written critique of Israel, and it is definitely NOT anti-Semitic. I find it quite ironic that it took Google's cache to find the thing Google itself wants canceled

It is Anti-Semitic in that he is lumping all jews in with Israel. I am a Jew, America is my homeland. I live here and am an American. I am not an Israeli. I give almost zero thought to Israel in my day to day. Jews are consistently labeled with an "other" tag, we are not Americans, we are Jews and Israel is our country. Also "If I were a Jew I would be concerned about my insatiable appetite for war and killing in def…

The first sentence sounds anti-semitic to me. The second does not. It's well worth being concerned about ones insensitivity to suffering in the conduct of self-defense. It may be particularly important if you feel that defense is entirely righteous. If hurting anyone for any reason does not provoke self-reflection, something is wrong.

That's completely consistent with doing what is necessary to defend your loved ones, including violence.

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