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Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £220bn profit last year

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Re: Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £220bn profit last year

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Meanwhile my (single-person) company is paying around 20% corporation tax, and then I'm getting taxed a further 20-40% on top of that when I pay myself.

Yeah, it would be so nice if a lot of small companies got organized and tried to do these tricks together, just to show the ridiculousness of it all.

Re: Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £220bn profit last year

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220bn profit? Really? Surely they mean "revenue"

Hard to say they mean either, financials are public, https://ie.globaldatabase.com/company/microsoft-round-island... It lists 9bn in profit. The quoted document > https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20794038/microsof... Disagrees with the public finances above: the issue is that the document says "$ 000". It's a typo, the numbers are just dollar amounts. And the text of the report proves it, it explicitly says…

The $ 000 at the top of the columns means the values are in thousands

Re: Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £220bn profit last year

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I have to pay 40% of my income as income tax. I have HAD ENOUGH. This is infuriating. What can we do?

I have an idea: Ireland could cut electricity, telecom, drain, rubbish collection, road access, police, firemen and health services just and only around those buildings where the company operates. Maybe they learn the value of paying taxes (or more probably not).

Re: Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £220bn profit last year

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post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have known many Dutch people over the years who have gotten a lot of benefits from the state from unemployment to housing. Some of it clearly fraudulently too. Seems to be unsustainable.

While I do not condone benefits fraud, it’s just a drop in the pond. Government projects are quite corrupt, and often go way over budget. Of course, this is a global problem as well. The main problem is corporate tax evasion. Pretty much every multinational funnels money via NL, while paying almost nothing. For example - IKEA, Walt Disney, FAANG, Uber, and innumerable more are all Dutch BVs for most global activities…

Sorry I agree with you. I didn't mean fraud was a big cost, only that social spending (including non-fraudulent) seems to be very high and not tightly controlled (which as a side effect allows for easy fraud). From the outside society seems very stratified. Plenty of Telsa's in Amsterdam and people with expensive tastes. NL is obviously a very wealthy place even compared to neighbouring countries but also has a large less wealthy population. This is another angle to the problem (in addition to the corp tax regime) because it unfairly puts the tax burden on people like yourself.

Re: Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £220bn profit last year

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I have to pay 40% of my income as income tax. I have HAD ENOUGH. This is infuriating. What can we do?

Are you sure you pay 40%? Googling around a bit to find the US income tax rates (assuming you are in the US) I found this: https://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-brackets.aspx This is really just the first thing I looked at, but it seems to provide the desired information. The highest bracket, for income above roughly 550k, is 37%. So considering only federal income tax it is impossible to pay 40% of your income…

Now toss on state income tax. And don’t forget about AMT (alternative minimum tax). Sure, you need a higher income to hit these thresholds, but it is not as functionally high of an income as you may think it is.

Re: Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £220bn profit last year

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post #5

Meanwhile my (single-person) company is paying around 20% corporation tax, and then I'm getting taxed a further 20-40% on top of that when I pay myself.

We're also in the UK, make sure you're taking advantage of any tax benefits you may be entitled to such as R&D tax credits. They are back datable.

FYI, Ireland has not been in the UK since 1921.

Re: Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £220bn profit last year

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post #43

Why can't governments learn that taxing corporations is pointless? The same revenue is can be raised more simply through sales tax and personal income tax on salaries and distributions.

Taxing mega corporations is essential. I would add that you need to tax them to oblivion after shareholder’s expectations are reasonably satisfied. If you don’t, you essentially create rogue institutions with deep pockets that will attempt to take political control of the nation for their selfish interests. Adam Smith had interesting things to say about that.

>Taxing mega corporations is essential.

It's not in this case because the corporation didn't pay any tax.

Re: Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £220bn profit last year

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, it's great that it's great society. Sucks pretty hard for him though.

"Pay your fair share". I cringe every time I hear this from people. Rich people pay WAY more than what they get back from the gov.

well, the idea is that the richer you are the more you contribute to society.

Re: Microsoft Irish subsidiary paid zero corporate tax on £220bn profit last year

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post #2

I have to pay 40% of my income as income tax. I have HAD ENOUGH. This is infuriating. What can we do?

Are you sure you pay 40%? Googling around a bit to find the US income tax rates (assuming you are in the US) I found this: https://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-brackets.aspx This is really just the first thing I looked at, but it seems to provide the desired information. The highest bracket, for income above roughly 550k, is 37%. So considering only federal income tax it is impossible to pay 40% of your income…

If you throw in state income tax and consider payroll taxes, hitting 40% isn’t that hard, if your income is 1099, hitting 40% is pretty easy.
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