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Fine, but if any company makes me wear a mask for 8 hours, I am out of there. Work remotely or come to a normal office sure.
This helps you be more cautious and careful (e.g. I'm saving your life here). Companies may get complain and let people work from home. It's a win for me and for you.
Apple employees: when Tim Cook is around, just fake a cough politely.
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I work my job for the paycheck, which includes those RSUs of great value. It’s a fine job, but if I didn’t need the money, I would quit. What kind of commitments should I be making and why?
In this particular case, by commitments I mean fully commit to in-person collaboration. This doesn't mean sitting and working at your office desk instead of your home desk, it means actually making an effort to collaborate with other people. Sometimes in a spontaneous way, sometimes in a planned way. Collaboration is done better in person. I believe anyone who disagrees with that is actually only disagreeing for self…
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> I wonder how a VC would feel if a startup said “we have some ideas but our real innovation comes from people just randomly running into each other in the hallway. Will you invest?” I'm sure they would not invest in you because you didn't understand the arguments of office vs remote work. They'd probably think you were kinda dumb if your entire knowledge of human interaction was reduced down to "randomly running int…
“Hallway conversations” were literally the first point the GP made and the person you’re responding to correctly refuted that. They’re an anti-pattern, and if your company is benefiting from them, then they’ve failed in process, vision and culture. A successful company would not rely on such a thing.
They just completed the spaceship a few years ago, can't just let it go sitting unoccupied now...
I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…
I'd just like to add to that: 1. The daily routine and commute helps reset your brain and get you in/out of "work mode" 2. You don't have to cannibalize your home desk to make way for your work PC, or set up a second desk for work PC 3. No deciding what to get for lunch, it's whatever is closest or catered, no wanting a coffee and finding that you need to run to the store 4. If your team isn't meeting your sprint goa…
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> I save money by spending less on food, drinks, and electricity. Compared to commuting (car+gas) and time-to-commute opportunity costs (to use for personal house tasks, side projects, self health)? I seriously doubt it.
Why does everyone here just assume that everyone’s commute is as bad as theirs? There are many people in the current working generation that avoided the soul-sucking suburban commute from the start.
"only 45 minutes each direction!? you're lucky!"
or
"that's a reverse commute! you're lucky!" spoiler alert, there is no reverse commute, everyone is driving every direction
Once I realized the collective delusion I quit
Most of my career has been 10 minute walking commutes at trendy companies in trendy neighborhoods in the middle of a city, max of 20.
Statistically this is not possible as others are priced out or the units to live in just don't exist.
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I would expect more of that competitive advantage, too! Most people don't want to give up Working from home[1] and/or are only interested in "working" to collect a paycheck[2]. If the future because of in-office work mostly consists of ambitious people like yourself, opposed to the latter, then I'm actually more interested in joining. Thanks for the perspective. [1] https://www.linkedin.com/posts/wfhjobs_wfh-workfrom…
What are you doing your job for if not to collect a paycheck?
Some people feel a competitive nature and want to work and get ahead.
Some people work with friends and therefore enjoy being there and socializing.
People have varied motivations for things besides pay.
I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…
Competitive advantage for whom? The company?
It's gonna be hard to overcome to employee advantage of having a potentially absurd effective-hourly-rate when you combine a high salary with extremely low actual hours that only remote work can provide.
You can go from 40-60 hours (factoring in overhead like commute) to 15-20 and 2-3x your hourly rate. That's a huge efficiency gain.
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I work in EU too, but a lot of coders around here start at 10:00+.. especially in smaller companies.
I guess I wasn't clear, I work on the east coast of the US but having EU employees means people are used to some of their coworkers not being available all the time.
The team there was shocked and maybe offended even, and I was informed it was verboten to work any of the next 3 days.
Differences in work cultures globally are staggering.
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I don’t think you’re an outlier. I think online comment sections in general attract people whose preferred communication and socialization style is digital. That’s why at times HN comment sections feel like everyone unanimously agrees that in-person work universally bad. It’s great that we have more remote work opportunity post COVID, but it was never realistic to expect every company or even most company to abandon…
> Maintaining a remote team is significantly more management and communication overhead than simply having people in one place. I’ve managed both types of teams and haven’t found this to be the case at all. In fact, quite the opposite. Asynchronous communication as the norm is a lot less demanding on ICs and managers. In person meetings are rarely an effective use of time or energy.
Besides this factor, in person meetings can often be less effective than email or a group chat.