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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

Is Apple forbidding people from coming into the office more than 3 days? AFAIK at Google, you can go everyday if you want.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by eyelidlessness »

ferdowsi wrote: post #75
Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

Since starting to work remote I've discovered the power of shutting down the work laptop (not sleeping) at a set time and not looking back. No Slack or work email on the phone. When I look back on hallway conversations, I can't think of many that really mattered. Actual important decisions are typically not made by IC engineers. Relevant conversations are usually inside team structures and not spontaneous.

> When I look back on hallway conversations, I can't think of many that really mattered. Actual important decisions are typically not made by IC engineers

Not that I’m itching to get back in an office (I’ve been remote most of my career), but this really depends on the environment. I’ve seen some really pivotal changes happen simply because someone happened to yak about it, or overheard such a yak and jumped in.

Usually these changes have been mostly technical in nature and under the purview of the engineers. But sometimes they’ve significantly changed product direction.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by nojito »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #60

"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

Not at Apple but my company's internal data shows productivity is better as a hybrid vs pure WFH/In Office for many departments

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by [deleted] »

gnulinux wrote: post #136
coldtea wrote: post #106

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> Why does everyone here just assume that everyone’s commute is as bad as theirs? Because statistically it would be representative. Also because even if the office is next door, you need to get dressed properly, prepare, etc., which eats at least half hour every morning.

You should get dressed properly and prepare even if you're working from home.

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by Solvitieg »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #60

"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

Considering that we spend most of our day doing this "work" thing, I find it much more tolerable to view my coworkers as close friends and my career as an opportunity.

This is especially easy in such a privileged sector as tech where pay is excellent, office life is compelling, and work is challenging and exciting.

I don't know how people survive day-to-day with a perspective like yours. I get that people can get fulfillment outside of work, but its actually possible to enjoy both.

"Work is just a pay cheque culture" is just as toxic as "hustle culture".

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by zmmmmm »

I think it is wise they are specifying specific days.

My org has been endeavoring to make a hybrid model work with the notion that if a partial workforces is only ever on site we have more space both to social distance and for other reasons.

But there are proving to be some really distinct problems. Primarily that hybrid meetings actually suck a lot more than all-remote or all-in-person. The minute the critical mass shifts to in-person there are all kinds of random one-one interactions that the remote attendees can't be aware of. And on the other end, it becomes impossible to share space with others if you are constantly in video calls.

My personal order of preference is now all-remote, then all-on-site, then hybrid a long way behind.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by pseudalopex »

tolbish wrote: post #129
Pet_Ant wrote: post #14

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The deliberate choice of Thursday over Wednesday is quite a strong indicator that even part-time remote is not an option, so you can't even just commute into the city for work and live a ways away during the rest of the time.

"We found that a Monday-Tuesday-Wednesday model encourages people to take a four day weekend."

You can fire someone for not working no matter where they're supposed to work.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

ranma4703 wrote: post #53

Apple employees should quit. The market is red hot, I get more recruiter spam then ever, no way I'm putting up with in person work ever again

I wasn't sure if I had my phone/email purchased by recruiters or something. I get cold calls and emails every week now. I ask them where they got my info, but no one's clear.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by midev »

desine wrote: post #146
midev wrote: post #118

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> I was one of the most scientifically literate people in my friend group and now I’m an outcast because I don’t always “trust the science”. Unless you're an expert in a field, you are not scientifically literate in that field. Being able to read a couple conclusions isn't scientific literacy. It's the same slapdash stuff that conspiracy theorists do. Find a couple publicized studies. Read the conclusions. Repeat as…

>Unless you're an expert in a field, you are not scientifically literate in that field. Really? There's nothing in between expert level and being able to judge if data was shoehorned or was a natural fit? Only an expert in a specific field can determine if logical flaws exist? If there's possibly hidden variables impacting readings, or incomplete models? Has the scientific world become that black and white? You're ei…

> Really? There's nothing in between expert level and being able to judge if data was shoehorned or was a natural fit? Only an expert in a specific field can determine if logical flaws exist? If there's possibly hidden variables impacting readings, or incomplete models?

Generally, yes. If you don't work in the field, I doubt you can even read a single paper, let alone identify errors.

> Has the scientific world become that black and white? You're either an expert or your opinion is not worthy of discussion?

That's always been the case. But yes, if you are not an expert or knowledgable about a topic, your opinion generally does not mean anything. I know this is hard for people to hear.

> I'm glad that of the many things I want to rant about, one I chose was the PCR cycles. Because the creator of that technology, Kary Mulis, specifically warned about it's misuse in that manner. Now for anyone just wandering into this mess going to search him for the first time - be warned, he did hold a very controversial opinion about another disease. But I don't think anyone could appeal to a higher authority on PCR testing at its core.

Kary Mulis can have an opinion. You not just being an expert is repeating something you don't understand.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by scrose »

gnulinux wrote: post #126
BrissyCoder wrote: post #103

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> I often do/did paired programming, and over-the-shoulder code reviews. These are easier in person I’m sure I’m not the only person who has the exact opposite experience with this. I can’t think and get mentally blocked when I have someone peering over my shoulder or I’m staring at their screen. I find this kind of collaboration so much easier if I’m in the comfort of my own desktop setup, sharing the screen over Te…

I think this has to do with seniority. When I was a lot more experienced than my coworker, doing pair programming was insanely fun. Because it felt like solving a puzzle with a friend, or exploring a video game with my sister. Now I'm occasionally pair programming with my manager -- who's like a 1000x me -- pair programming is mentally blocking. It's because my peer thinks so much faster than I do that it feels like…

I’ve been in both positions and know the feeling! Whenever I pair with someone now, I usually try and slow things down in the beginning and ask questions along the way to see if they follow me, even if I think what I’m doing is ‘simple’. No point in pairing if the other persons eyes are glazing over :)
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