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Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined

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Post by actually_a_dog »

FreeTrade wrote: post #32
gnicholas wrote: post #27

Thank you for offering a cookie notice whose one-click options are 'only required cookies' and 'all cookies'. Too many websites offer 'all cookies' and 'dig into this menu to turn off the cookies you don't want'. Obviously the latter is a huge pain, and the goal is to get people to just accept all cookies.

No cookie notice is the best UI of all.

Agreed, but, it seems that even sites that don't use tracking cookies are starting to present at least a button that links you to their privacy policy that says they don't use any. I wish they'd just not show anything.

Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined

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Post by Tomminn »

This is great, and I would ignore the people who complain about the UX being too difficult. The most profitable customer is people buying in frequently to online tournaments, for whom this all makes complete sense. The regular casual low-mid stakes customers spend hundreds of dollars per day or at least week on buy-ins easily, and you're gonna get a tonne of em to be comfortable paying $30/month.

I've played online tournaments for a month or two and can tell exactly what this is saying. So it's not exactly high level.

Where did you get the data for this?

Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined

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Post by Tomminn »

legitster wrote: post #5

This looks really cool, but even as someone who has dabbled a bit in poker I have no idea what I am looking at. Presumably, this is for people who are already advanced to get a little bit better? Otherwise, if you want to level up my poker game I would need a few lower rungs on the ladder.

Would you pay $30/month to level up your game? Because for me this site is premised on the fact that the people willing to pay that already know the basic strat needed to digest this site.

Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined

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Post by gnicholas »

Tomminn wrote: post #42

This is great, and I would ignore the people who complain about the UX being too difficult. The most profitable customer is people buying in frequently to online tournaments, for whom this all makes complete sense. The regular casual low-mid stakes customers spend hundreds of dollars per day or at least week on buy-ins easily, and you're gonna get a tonne of em to be comfortable paying $30/month. I've played online t…

I would agree that people who understand the UX at first glance are part of the target market.

However, there are a lot of people (like me) who could be educated a little bit and would then be happy to use/pay for a tool like this. I wouldn't ignore these folks because they could increase the market size by 2-3x.

Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined

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Post by theshirin »

Tomminn wrote: post #42

This is great, and I would ignore the people who complain about the UX being too difficult. The most profitable customer is people buying in frequently to online tournaments, for whom this all makes complete sense. The regular casual low-mid stakes customers spend hundreds of dollars per day or at least week on buy-ins easily, and you're gonna get a tonne of em to be comfortable paying $30/month. I've played online t…

We primarily generate the data using Monker Solver, using our own custom trees.

Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined

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Post by theshirin »

gnicholas wrote: post #44
Tomminn wrote: post #42

This is great, and I would ignore the people who complain about the UX being too difficult. The most profitable customer is people buying in frequently to online tournaments, for whom this all makes complete sense. The regular casual low-mid stakes customers spend hundreds of dollars per day or at least week on buy-ins easily, and you're gonna get a tonne of em to be comfortable paying $30/month. I've played online t…

I would agree that people who understand the UX at first glance are part of the target market. However, there are a lot of people (like me) who could be educated a little bit and would then be happy to use/pay for a tool like this. I wouldn't ignore these folks because they could increase the market size by 2-3x.

Por que no los dos? We want it to be great for you, too. Not sure if you saw, but we've written up this guide to help ease newer/more casual players in: https://www.floptimal.com/help#poker-basics

Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined

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Post by gnicholas »

theshirin wrote: post #46
gnicholas wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would agree that people who understand the UX at first glance are part of the target market. However, there are a lot of people (like me) who could be educated a little bit and would then be happy to use/pay for a tool like this. I wouldn't ignore these folks because they could increase the market size by 2-3x.

Por que no los dos? We want it to be great for you, too. Not sure if you saw, but we've written up this guide to help ease newer/more casual players in: https://www.floptimal.com/help#poker-basics

¡Sí, por supuesto! When I first visited the site today via HN, it took me to a page that had lots of diagrams that would be intimidating to newbies.

It looks like the first page is now a landing page that helps get people properly onboarded, which is great.

Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined

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Post by keyle »

This is really cool. Well done. Is there a link to the research or the data source? I imagine this is a 'standard' of some sorts.

Also will you implement the other sub-games such as short stacks and other games? It would be very valuable to explore the differences.

Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined

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Post by atweiden »

tialaramex wrote: post #37
ferros wrote: post #31

How good is poker AI these days? Can the best players still be profitable against computers?

Heads Up (two player) Limit (the raise size is fixed, raising is a binary decision) Hold 'Em is weakly solved. A mathematically determined strategy is arbitrarily close to optimal. There are likely other equally optimal strategies, but there can't be any which would actually win over time. http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/about Heads Up No limit is not solved, but machines are so good at it now that the world's top human…

Given the success of AlphaGo, and Pluribus’ ability to dominate humans 1-on-1, I’d be surprised if Pluribus couldn’t eventually be generalized to ring games. I’d also be surprised if today’s batch of online poker bots weren’t actively informed by ML or AI. Nor am I confident poker can be played in a fully online setting in a way that is impervious to cheating with bots.

Perhaps augmented reality experiences could help professionals play more hands of live poker, balancing volume with integrity of the games.

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