How good is poker AI these days?
Can the best players still be profitable against computers?
Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined
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Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined
#32Thank you for offering a cookie notice whose one-click options are 'only required cookies' and 'all cookies'. Too many websites offer 'all cookies' and 'dig into this menu to turn off the cookies you don't want'. Obviously the latter is a huge pain, and the goal is to get people to just accept all cookies.
No cookie notice is the best UI of all.
Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined
#33All I get is a blank screen, on account of the page being apparently constructed entirely of third-party scripts.
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#34First off, great name — it's portmanteauriffic! This looks really useful for beginners and intermediate folks. For beginners (like me), it would probably be helpful to have a series of quick demo videos that show each of the features. You could start off with the basic "if you're dealt these cards, should you hold/fold?" and then layer on additional complexity in terms of stack size, position, etc. That would make it…
Hi there, thanks for the feedback. Totally agree with you on intro/demo videos, and we're planning to create those in the coming days/weeks.
The features behind a pay wall are the “reaction ranges” for all stack sizes other than 15bb. This is the ability to put in table action and see the resulting data/strategies. Generating that data is very time consuming, requires significant computing hardware, and we continually generate more of it in order to improve the quality of the existing data sets as well as to create more of it (eg more stack sizes). The primary value of our initial offering is rooted in this data, and poker players are willing to pay for it. Historically it’s been prohibitively expensive, though, and a big goal for us was to lower the barrier and make it more accessible.
Our actual moat, though, is the technology and design. The ease of entering and changing table action, how quickly we load the data visualized in all these different ways, the combined aesthetics + logic behind the color schemes… these are the kinds of things we’ve come to expect in consumer technology but hadn’t yet reached the realm of poker tech. We believe that these aspects of Floptimal are groundbreaking within poker.
Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined
#35Nice app. Few questions / comments as someone who dabbles quite a bit w/ GTO play.
What's the nash distance here? Can I assume you are tight enough these results should be the same as piosolver etc?
Any thoughts on supporting cash games (w/ various rake levels, 6max or 9max) or deeper stacks?
Thoughts on lifetime subscriptions?
This is a solid competitor to piosolver etc
Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined
#36I don't know about poker but I want to highlight your cookies popup!
The accept only required cookies is refreshing in this web full of dark pattern. Even tought it's not the default choice, the button is bigger than the accept all cookies button and it doesn't leads to a jungle of toggles.
Thanks for respecting us !
Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined
#37How good is poker AI these days? Can the best players still be profitable against computers?
Heads Up (two player) Limit (the raise size is fixed, raising is a binary decision) Hold 'Em is weakly solved. A mathematically determined strategy is arbitrarily close to optimal. There are likely other equally optimal strategies, but there can't be any which would actually win over time. http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/about
Heads Up No limit is not solved, but machines are so good at it now that the world's top humans lost money to a machine when this was last attempted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluribus_(poker_bot)
In multi-seat games, like the ones Floptimal is designed for, an AI has the problem that rationally the humans should all work together to knock it out, simply because it's obviously stronger than they are. The humans needn't cheat, they just choose to take a different line against the bot than they'd take against other humans, so that the bot accumulates money much more slowly than the dominant human player.
Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is sort of a modernized web-based PokerStove. It's useful when you are at the stage where you are deep analyzing past hands or perhaps deciding whether preflop shoves in tournaments were good. But I think even as someone who has used PokerStove in the past, and has programmed some range evaluators, the UI is pretty intimidating for me.
It’s closer to a web version of pio solver. Equity and range evaluators got a lot less useful because people figured how to make software that solves the full (simplified) game tree. This is a superior approach to anything other than all-in spots (which have game tree of one nodes.) Most serious players these days primarily use software like pio and monker because the competition has gotten tougher and old equity cal…
vs a what?
Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s closer to a web version of pio solver. Equity and range evaluators got a lot less useful because people figured how to make software that solves the full (simplified) game tree. This is a superior approach to anything other than all-in spots (which have game tree of one nodes.) Most serious players these days primarily use software like pio and monker because the competition has gotten tougher and old equity cal…
vs a what?
bacus
Re: Show HN: Floptimal – Preflop ranges reimagined
#40I don't know about poker but I want to highlight your cookies popup! The accept only required cookies is refreshing in this web full of dark pattern. Even tought it's not the default choice, the button is bigger than the accept all cookies button and it doesn't leads to a jungle of toggles. Thanks for respecting us !
Second this.
It's bad enough when every site makes you go through and pick exactly which invasive cookies you don't want, but I'd like to call out Stack Overflow/Stack Exchange as a particularly bad offender here. They present the dialog each and every time you visit one of their sites. It's beyond annoying, and, were it easily possible without sacrificing my ability to decline their cookies, I'd block that dialog element entirely. Maybe this is a good job for a browser extension?