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Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest fish, declared extinct

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Re: Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest fish, declared extinct

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gadf wrote: post #162
dang wrote: post #110

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Yes, that was bad. Submitted title was "Yangtze dam separates Paddlefish, largest, from spawn, now extinct". That spawned a whole school of complaints and offtopicness in its own right. We've changed it now. Submitters: please don't do that. If you want to say what you think is important about an article, that's fine, but do it by adding a comment to the thread. Then your view will be on a level playing field with ev…

That's weird... I think the original title of the article was wordier than mine, so i cut out words to fit the limit. But now when i check the article it has a shorter one. I could be wrong tho, but I'm pretty sure that's what i remember seeing....

Oh - it's not uncommon for articles at big media sites to change their headlines. I don't remember seeing that at NatGeo before though. Sorry for the misunderstanding!

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Post by sudosysgen »

monocasa wrote: post #199
sudosysgen wrote: post #197

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Probably the fact that organ harvesting of executees was done in other countries too. But yes, Wikipedia as time goes on is not the best source for politically contentious content. I used to not really notice it because I actually agreed with the ideological slant of Wikipedia, but contact with other, non-English Wikipedias has seriously forced me to reconsider and now I don't trust any Wikipedia on politically charg…

Nah, it was that we in the US had lethal injection vans for a while for a lot of the same reasons as China. We transitioned to lethal injection because it was seen as more humane than hanging or firing squad, but our more rural jurisdictions didn't have the resources to retrofit their prisons on the time table that politics required, so instead would share "mobile lethal injection facilities" starting in the 80s. And…

Yes, I meant that for example Taiwan has/had legal facilities to take organs from death row prisoners but that's not really mentioned. I agree with you on the rest.

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Post by rolph »

gadf wrote: post #162
dang wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that was bad. Submitted title was "Yangtze dam separates Paddlefish, largest, from spawn, now extinct". That spawned a whole school of complaints and offtopicness in its own right. We've changed it now. Submitters: please don't do that. If you want to say what you think is important about an article, that's fine, but do it by adding a comment to the thread. Then your view will be on a level playing field with ev…

That's weird... I think the original title of the article was wordier than mine, so i cut out words to fit the limit. But now when i check the article it has a shorter one. I could be wrong tho, but I'm pretty sure that's what i remember seeing....

one of my own personal habits is to include the full non truncated title in a comment if the title is too long, this would also demonstrate the title at time of submission, so this would also make it evident that the title has been changed by the site operator.

something that was pointed out too me earlier was the two different titles associated with a page, are both acceptable to title a submission.

re:[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26638804]

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Post by gadf »

rolph wrote: post #203
gadf wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's weird... I think the original title of the article was wordier than mine, so i cut out words to fit the limit. But now when i check the article it has a shorter one. I could be wrong tho, but I'm pretty sure that's what i remember seeing....

one of my own personal habits is to include the full non truncated title in a comment if the title is too long, this would also demonstrate the title at time of submission, so this would also make it evident that the title has been changed by the site operator. something that was pointed out too me earlier was the two different titles associated with a page, are both acceptable to title a submission. re:[ https://new…

that's a great idea. never thought of that, thanks!

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Post by libraryatnight »

n00begon wrote: post #161
libraryatnight wrote: post #147

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Absolutely beautiful and heartbreaking, thank you - I might never have stumbled upon that.

The podcast "Anthropocene Reviewed" has an episode[1] on the Kauaʻi ʻōʻō including the last time it was seen if you would like to know more about it. [1] https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/anthropocene-reviewed/e...

Thank you I am going to give this a listen!

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Post by boringg »

markus_zhang wrote: post #73
boringg wrote: post #8

Serious question here - not starting a flamewar. Are there any real organizations in China with power that protect the ecosystem and animals there? From an outsider it seems like they just build whatever they want without any concern for the environment they live in which ultimately will do significant damage to their own human population after the environment collapses and can't support them.

So you are speaking about MEE: http://www.mee.gov.cn/ Not sure why but they also have an English page: http://english.mee.gov.cn/ It is one of the ministries under the State Council. Technically all Ministries are on the same Level so they enjoy equal power. In reality some ministries have more weights (e.g. NDRC apparently have more power than some of the smaller ones) and MEE has recently gained much more power sin…

Thanks! Do you know if they hold power or are they kind of in name only organizations?

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Post by markus_zhang »

boringg wrote: post #206
markus_zhang wrote: post #73

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So you are speaking about MEE: http://www.mee.gov.cn/ Not sure why but they also have an English page: http://english.mee.gov.cn/ It is one of the ministries under the State Council. Technically all Ministries are on the same Level so they enjoy equal power. In reality some ministries have more weights (e.g. NDRC apparently have more power than some of the smaller ones) and MEE has recently gained much more power sin…

Thanks! Do you know if they hold power or are they kind of in name only organizations?

Back in the 90s and early 00s (when it was called the Ministry of Environmental Protection) economic development overweighted everything else so it didn't have a lot of power. Now the new Ministry have a lot more power and teeth.

But it's difficult to give a quatified answer as I'm not in the circle.

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Post by quantumsequoia »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #136

I got downvoted in another thread for extolling the ecological consequences of dams. Dams should not be considered “clean” energy. They’re environmental disasters. Both upstream and downstream.

I mean, it depends on what the alternative energy source is. Dams have their issues, but when we have the choice between a dam and fossil fuels, the impact of a dam is relatively more acceptable
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